If we give Czechoslovakia to Germany, it will end the threat.....
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They won them in battle.
Try to keep up.
Do you want to go to Ukraine and take them back.
Will tomorrow be too soon.
Time is of the essence.
Germany won France in battle.... We decided not to accept that and with others we stood up to it and it did not last. We should have stood up earlier and less lives would have been lost, had we stood up with Germany annexed Austria we would not have needed WWII.
Perhaps you should keep up. Russia is asking for all of the Donbas while they currently occupy less than 40% of it.
T. A. Gardner
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The problem is more complex than that. Leftist governments in both France (especially) and Britain during the 30's had ignored their militaries for the most part and were rushing in the late 30's to try and catch up with Germany.
For example, in 1939 the Japanese had more tanks, and even better ones, than the British did. For example, this was cutting edge tank technology in Britain in 1939...
Two men in an Infantry tank Mk I with no radio armed with a .30 machinegun, running on a commercial truck engine it does 6 mph--at most.
This is the cutting edge of Japanese tank technology in 1939, the Type 97. A four-man tank with a 57mm gun and two machineguns. It has, for the time, a modern suspension and uses a custom designed 12-V-cylinder air cooled diesel engine. It has a radio too (the antenna is that odd thing around the top of the turret).
Britain and France were in no position to demand much of anything from Germany because their threats were completely hollow due to social-welfare spending and political nonsense so all they could do is try and make shit deals with Hitler who knew full well they had no juice.
BartenderElite
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Negotiating w/ Putin and giving him concessions is rewarding Putin's aggression.
T. A. Gardner
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What would you suggest instead that we go to war with Russia over Ukraine?
BartenderElite
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I'm not qualified to make that assessment.
But the fact remains: giving Putin concessions is rewarding his aggression, and could invite future aggression.
trump is a putin fanboy and a surrender monkey.
You're such a fucking nazi retard.
Yep, all fascinating shit. In the meantime, we don't subscribe to the trumptard, "might makes right" rule of taking territory. When other democracies in the world are under attack, we help them.The problem is more complex than that. Leftist governments in both France (especially) and Britain during the 30's had ignored their militaries for the most part and were rushing in the late 30's to try and catch up with Germany.
For example, in 1939 the Japanese had more tanks, and even better ones, than the British did. For example, this was cutting edge tank technology in Britain in 1939...
Two men in an Infantry tank Mk I with no radio armed with a .30 machinegun, running on a commercial truck engine it does 6 mph--at most.
This is the cutting edge of Japanese tank technology in 1939, the Type 97. A four-man tank with a 57mm gun and two machineguns. It has, for the time, a modern suspension and uses a custom designed 12-V-cylinder air cooled diesel engine. It has a radio too (the antenna is that odd thing around the top of the turret).
Britain and France were in no position to demand much of anything from Germany because their threats were completely hollow due to social-welfare spending and political nonsense so all they could do is try and make shit deals with Hitler who knew full well they had no juice.
My first clue trump doesn't give a shit about anyone's suffering was welcoming and providing a VIP welcome to an indicted war criminal. Had Clinton or Obama done anything like that it'd be another fucking Benghazi.
T. A. Gardner
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Anyone with an IQ over 50 and a thimble full of common sense knows we shouldn't go to war over Ukraine with Russia and probably really shouldn't be putting out tens of billions, or more, in aid to Ukraine. It just doesn't have any strategic or political value.
T. A. Gardner
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One of the tenants of strategy is, You can't fight every little battle and war and end up winning. Choose your battles carefully. That applies here. Ukraine is not something we, the United States should be making a hill to die on. Also, Ukraine really isn't a democracy. It's pretty damn close to a dictatorship.
Well, until trump, the American president and all our allies agreed that Ukraine and it's sovereignty IS worth defending.
Sorry, man... you know the saying.. "first they came for the Ukrainians and I did nothing..."....
Don't be a Henry Ford or Charles Lindbergh.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Defending for what reason? Ukraine as a nation really has no history prior to becoming a part of the Soviet Union. For most of history it was part of some other nation and just had a somewhat distinct language and culture.
Poor analogy.
Be unsuccessful? Why?
So many brave Americans have died throughout the years defending other's right to be. Do you wish we'd never entered either of the world wars?
Your fallacious conclusion is that Russia will stop at Ukrain's border and that the Western World's inaction won't result in China being emboldened to conquer Taiwan. <--- Just wait until China controls 95% of the World's computer chip production. Lol the Opec crisis? Nothing compared to whatll happen!
T. A. Gardner
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We were very reluctant to enter WW 1, and it was pretty much a European affair. Staying out was a good thing. Not preparing for a potential forced entry into it was a mistake.
WW 2 is much the same thing. We had issues with Japan and that was really the US focus. Hitler and Europe were Europe's problem. In the late 1930's nobody really knew the evils of Hitler's Germany so we couldn't address those.
We prepared for a war with either Japan, Germany, or both that time. As in WW 1 we supplied lots of arms and munitions to nations we saw as allied or friendly. We weren't giving them away for free like we're doing with Ukraine. At least Trump has gotten Ukraine to cough up some trade in payment.
Both Japan and Germany declared war on the US, not the other way around.
Japan was for all intents, defeated by September 1942 and the only thing left was their eventual surrender. It was all losses no wins for them after that.
Germany was defeated for all intents by August 1943 and again it was just a matter of time until they surrendered.
Both world wars, and the 20th century as a result, saw one of the world's greatest leaps forward in technology and social outcomes in history. So, they really resulted in a lot more good than they cost.
Okay, who's next? Belarus? Poland? Romania? I don't see it. China has a separate agenda from Russia. How will China "control 95% of the World's computer chip production? Taiwan is offshoring that as fast as they can. Why do you think TSMC is building tens of billions in plants in the US right now? China gets nothing other than the dirt invading Taiwan. The Nationalist Chinese will blow everything up in the Communist Chinese's faces and leave if it comes to that.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed.
Dutch Uncle
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Trump is beholding to Putin. IDK if it's blackmail, bribery or something else.