"Unlikely to occur". Yeah, that instills all kinds of confidence.
And Holder didn't say it will never, ever happen. He said it is "Unlikely to occur".
Holder: Yes, Obama can kill American Citizens on American soil with no trial...
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And Holder didn't say it will never, ever happen. He said it is "Unlikely to occur".
Stop acting so dense. Premeditation is the definition of murder. Government only gets to premeditate a murder after a trial and what we call due process where the accused gets to hear the charges and mount a defense. You must understand this very simple foundation in order to move foward with the explanation. Do you follow so far?
Lowaicue
英語在香港
Silly question.
Americans have been killing Americans on American soil for years. Sandy Hook and Aurora to name just two.
And, if the 2nd amendment tells you you should arm to protect against tyrannical governments, why hasn't every American got his own drone?
What would Bertie Wooster give? Not to mention Pongo Twistleton, Rupert Psmith, Bingo Little and Barmy Fotheringay-Phipps.
Americans have been killing Americans on American soil for years. Sandy Hook and Aurora to name just two.
And, if the 2nd amendment tells you you should arm to protect against tyrannical governments, why hasn't every American got his own drone?
What would Bertie Wooster give? Not to mention Pongo Twistleton, Rupert Psmith, Bingo Little and Barmy Fotheringay-Phipps.
Drones are too expensive. I'd settle with a home defender and a trusty sidearm for outing events.
What about you, your magnificence? Do you even have any violence in Hong Kong?
That is not necessarly so. Anyway, even if it were premeditated that does not make it illegal.
The FBI reciently shot and killed that guy who held a kid in a hole in ALABAMA. They planned for the attack, they practiced at a remote site, they targeted the kidnapper. Id say it was premeditated.
Was that unconstitutional? Do you not belive they had the authority to do that?
Annie
Not So Junior Member
Did they give him a chance to surrender? Did they try to negotiate? Was he aware of options? All those issues come into play when deadly force is used by the police.
False. Government can premeditate the killing of people and does all the time. See the example of the kidnapper with the kid in the hole in Alabama.
Sure, but that does not mean its not premeditated. You dont think that we can give people the option to surrender and options and then use a drone?
Cancel 2016.2
The Almighty
Are you kidding? A drone bomb is not going to be able to simply incapacitate you. It is going to kill the terrorist, you and anyone near you.
Okay, now we are talking about the narrow example of a drone "bomb". Thats the first time Ive seen the word bomb used here. But lets pretend that a "bomb" is the only lethal force a drone is capable of delivering.
A bomb might be used to wipe out a group of four of terrorists in Alabama who are killing hostages every 20 min's? After they have been warned to surrender?
Who is doing that? I have HUGE problems with Obama's Drone Program. I did not have such huge problems with Bush's drone program. The problem I had with Bush's drone program was that it could morph into Obama's drone program very easily. BTW, it did.
I simply do not agree that what HOLDER said the other day was incorrect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#Specifications
Armament
2 hardpoints
2 × AGM-114 Hellfire (MQ-1B)
4 × AIM-92 Stinger (MQ-1B)
6 × Griffin air-to-surface missiles
That's just about ALL they're used for in an attack operation. Do you think they shoot bullets at the bad guys?
I can imagine a situation where they could!
Soooo, the MQ1 Preditor is the only drone that exists?
Annie
Not So Junior Member
How would THAT help the hostages, other than ending their 'terror' more quickly? I do think that the police would have stormed the 'hideout' after the first 4 were killed, hoping to save the lives of some others? With a drone, no way would any survive.
Lowaicue
英語在香港
Of course we have violence. People are people. But not a lot and mostly confined to the occasional triad chopping trip. Although I was stopped on the pavement in an old part of town a few years ago because an old woman was beating her equally aged spouse with an umbrella.
IDK, im imagining a senario, so lets pretend the hostages are tied up in a farmhouse that is 100 yards away from the main group of terrorists. All approaches are mined and being guarded by a small group of 3 less intelegent terrorists, who based on intelegence we know will give up once the main group has been destroyed.
You laid out your imaginary scenario and it was ridiculously inept since it relies on stupid criminals in order for it to even be plausible.