Happy Indigenous People's Day!

The Dems know Trump is leveraged by Putin and is a narcissistic criminal who would do anything to save his own ass,
and the right are deluded by Fox into thinking Democrats are Marxist and that Trump is a demigod, when they are not.

Let's keep the facts straight.

Hate each other? Damn straight. Difference being we are sane and you are a delusional cult.
 
I tend to agree Dutch, but the left has become unhinged. Not the middle of the road, rational ones like yourself. The extremists. From either party truth be told.

I'm not a rational "lefty". I'm a strongly centered supporter of the Constitution which includes the 9th and 10th Amendments. I agree the Democrats are pushing for too much authoritarianism. I've long been an outspoken critic of Nanny Statism and depriving consenting American adults their freedom of choice.

The problem theses days is that the Republicans are no better. They are also authoritarian assholes trying to dictate what people should believe, how they should live and how they should think.

FWIW, members of both the far left and far right accuse me of being on the other side. That's on them. From my POV, if I am pissing off the extremes of both sides equally, then I must be somewhere in the middle, which is where I want to be.
 
I'm not a rational "lefty". I'm a strongly centered supporter of the Constitution which includes the 9th and 10th Amendments. I agree the Democrats are pushing for too much authoritarianism. I've long been an outspoken critic of Nanny Statism and depriving consenting American adults their freedom of choice.

The problem theses days is that the Republicans are no better. They are also authoritarian assholes trying to dictate what people should believe, how they should live and how they should think.

FWIW, members of both the far left and far right accuse me of being on the other side. That's on them. From my POV, if I am pissing off the extremes of both sides equally, then I must be somewhere in the middle, which is where I want to be.

Exactly!
 
The Dems know Trump is leveraged by Putin and is a narcissistic criminal who would do anything to save his own ass,
and the right are deluded by Fox into thinking Democrats are Marxist and that Trump is a demigod, when they are not.

Let's keep the facts straight.

Hate each other? Damn straight. Difference being we are sane and you are a delusional cult.

Putin could easily appease Biden by throwing Trump under the bus.

No doubt Putin has enough dirt on Trump to stop any inquiries into Putin's own irregularities.
 
Stupid people? People who can't comprehend that idea the, while men live and die, an idea lives as long as there is someone to carry it?

Tying the Civil Rights movement to MLK endangers the idea since revelations of MLK's shortcomings (such as adultery) then taints the movement.

It's the idea that important, not the man. That's what's wrong with the Party of Trump; deifying a man.

My two cents is there is not any hard and fast, ironclad rules about naming public holidays, nor do I see a compelling reason to have such a rule.

This state has a Ceasar Chavez holiday, and sometimes I think it's nice to have a face to associate an idea with.

I actually liked the Lincoln and Washington holidays, and thought it was kind of stupid to make it President's day
 
Indigenous people day is no more a celebration of Aztec ritual human sacrifice than President's day is a celebration of George Washington making human beings his slaves.

It appears Terry O'Brien exploded worse than an Aztec volcano and won't be replying for awhile.

While the concept of an "Indigenous People's Day" is racist, recognizing ancient cultures is a lot better than shitting all over them and screaming victory as Terry O'Brien, Stolen Valor Cocksucker, is attempting to do with his mini-camera studio.
 
My two cents is there is not any hard and fast, ironclad rules about naming public holidays, nor do I see a compelling reason to have such a rule.

This state has a Ceasar Chavez holiday, and sometimes I think it's nice to have a face to associate an idea with.

I actually liked the Lincoln and Washington holidays, and thought it was kind of stupid to make it President's day

Nothing wrong with a state doing it unless there's only one. Nothing wrong with a Federal holiday named after a single man, unless there's only one.

IMHO, one is too many since, again, the idea should supersede the man. Man can be great but human beings are still human beings. There are plenty of great people to remember on a Federal Civil Rights day, including Cesar Chavez, Alice Paul and Marsha P. Johnson. Lots of faces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_rights_leaders
 
It appears Terry O'Brien exploded worse than an Aztec volcano and won't be replying for awhile.

While the concept of an "Indigenous People's Day" is racist, recognizing ancient cultures is a lot better than shitting all over them and screaming victory as Terry O'Brien, Stolen Valor Cocksucker, is attempting to do with his mini-camera studio.

She-male went MIA, eh?

Personally, I am completely fine with Saint Patrick's Day, Indigenous People's Day, Italian-American month, African American month, Cinco de Mayo, German-American month, et al.

One of the things I am proudest of our great nation is our diversity and immigrant heritage, and we should always make acknowledgments of that as the source of our greatest strength.
 
Aztecs came here from South America, then the Inuits from Canada & Greenland, tribal wars broke out, then Europeans. The continent has been "discovered" by many.
Everyone who came here was "indigenous" to somewhere else.

This looks like a synopsis of paleo-American history by a poorly-educated the-pandemic-is-a-hoax moron.

No, dear, the Aztecs did not "come here from South America." The Inuits are not the same people as the first people of the northern and eastern U.S. They have different languages and cultures and DNA.

The only part you got right was "then Europeans."
 
This looks like a synopsis of paleo-American history by a poorly-educated the-pandemic-is-a-hoax moron.

No, dear, the Aztecs did not "come here from South America." The Inuits are not the same people as the first people of the northern and eastern U.S. They have different languages and cultures and DNA.

The only part you got right was "then Europeans."

Holy smoke that Bible college she went to was utterly incompetent at teaching history and anthropology
 
She-male went MIA, eh?

Personally, I am completely fine with Saint Patrick's Day, Indigenous People's Day, Italian-American month, African American month, Cinco de Mayo, German-American month, et al.

One of the things I am proudest of our great nation is our diversity and immigrant heritage, and we should always make acknowledgments of that as the source of our greatest strength.

Thanks for putting into words how I feel about America, too. Bravo.
 
She-male went MIA, eh?

Personally, I am completely fine with Saint Patrick's Day, Indigenous People's Day, Italian-American month, African American month, Cinco de Mayo, German-American month, et al.

One of the things I am proudest of our great nation is our diversity and immigrant heritage, and we should always make acknowledgments of that as the source of our greatest strength.

Worse, 60 day Mandatory Vacay.

I'm good with all of those, but none are Federal Public Holidays (paid day off Federal workers) https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2021

Holiday
Friday, January 1 New Year’s Day
Monday, January 18 Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Wednesday, January 20* Inauguration Day
Monday, February 15** Washington’s Birthday
Monday, May 31 Memorial Day
Friday, June 18*** Juneteenth National Independence Day
Monday, July 5**** Independence Day
Monday, September 6 Labor Day
Monday, October 11 Columbus Day
Thursday, November 11 Veterans Day
Thursday, November 25 Thanksgiving Day
Friday, December 24***** Christmas Day

There's also the precedent, which gets back to my point of put the idea over a single person. There are dozens of "official" holidays, but they aren't paid for days off.


Agreed on strengths. Best to maximize everything we have because we might need it in the future. :)
 
Aztecs came here from South America, then the Inuits from Canada & Greenland, tribal wars broke out, then Europeans. The continent has been "discovered" by many.
Everyone who came here was "indigenous" to somewhere else.
This looks like a synopsis of paleo-American history by a poorly-educated the-pandemic-is-a-hoax moron.

No, dear, the Aztecs did not "come here from South America." The Inuits are not the same people as the first people of the northern and eastern U.S. They have different languages and cultures and DNA.

The only part you got right was "then Europeans."
Despite being hampered by a late Happy Hour, I think what Stretch was pointing out that all human beings in the Americas came from somewhere else. Specifically Africa. Some took a longer route than others.

Right now, all of us would be considered the "indigenous" people should a calamity strike us all dead and future anthropologists sifted through the debris.
 
Holy smoke that Bible college she went to was utterly incompetent at teaching history and anthropology

Where were the prior inhabitants from other than Greenland, Canada, parts of Africa and the southern Americas? Go back a thousand years. Where were they from prior to Europe?
 
Aztecs came here from South America, then the Inuits from Canada & Greenland, tribal wars broke out, then Europeans. The continent has been "discovered" by many.
Everyone who came here was "indigenous" to somewhere else.

There is a theory, which could well be true, that the Aztecs originated from Utah.

Did the Ancient Aztecs originate in modern-day Utah?


The Aztec people of Mexico developed one of the greatest ancient empires in the American Continent.

Despite the fact that much is known about the Aztec empire found in present-day Mexico City, little is known about the origins of Aztec culture. Where did they come from? How old are they? And why did they migrate?

Many consider that the disappearing island of Aztlán is the ancient homeland where the Aztec people formed as a civilization prior to their migration into the Valley of Mexico.

Aztlan comes from an ancient Nahuatl legend which suggests that there were seven tribes that once inhabited Chicomoztoc – “the place of the seven caves”.

These tribes allegedly represented the seven Nahua cultures: Acolhua, Chalca, Mexica, Tepaneca, Tlahuica, Tlaxcalteca, and Xochimilca. Eventually, they left their caves and settled down as a single culture near Aztlán.

According to some accounts, the arrival of the seven groups in Aztlán was preceded by the arrival of a group known as the Chichimecas, considered less civilized than the seven Nahua groups.

The search for Aztlan


Chicomoztoc — the place of the seven caves. The mythical origin of the “nahuatlaca” tribes. Image Credit: Wikimedia Commons.
Many authors agree that word Aztlán is interpreted as “the land to the north; the land of the Aztecs.” In their language (Nahuatl), the roots of Aztlan are the two words: aztatl tlan(tli) meaning “heron” and “place of,” respectively. The connotative meaning of Aztlan, due to the plumage of herons, is “Place of Whiteness.”

It is believed that, over time, the people who inhabited Aztlán became known as the Aztecs, who then emigrated from Aztlán to the Valley of Mexico where they settled down.

In some legends, Aztlán is seen as a paradisiacal land for all inhabitants.

If we take a look at the Codex Aubin, the Aztlán was a place where the Aztecs were subject to the Aztec Chicomoztoca – the tyrannical elite. In order to escape the Chicomoztoca, the Aztecs fled Aztlán, led by a priest.

In this legend, the god Huitzilopochtli told them that they could not use the name “Aztec” and that they would be known from here on as the Mexica.

The Aztec migration from Aztlán to Tenochtitlán is a very important piece in Aztec history and can be traced back to May 24, 1064, which was the first Aztec solar year.

When speaking about Aztlan, many authors believe it is a mythical place, eerily similar to legends about Atlantis, or Lemuria. Some scholars are convinced that Aztlan only lives in legend, and that its physical location will never be found.

The searches for the land of Aztlán has spread from western Mexico, to the deserts of Utah, in the hope of finding the legendary island.

However, these searches have been unsuccessful, since the location – and the existence – of Aztlán remains a profound mystery according to mainstream scholars.

A great mystery that surrounds Aztlán is exactly how far north was Aztlan located. Some searches extended to Utah, where some scholars have argued that the Aztecs did not originate in modern-day Mexico, but that their culture was formed in an area that is now the United States.

Cecilio Orosco of California State University and Alfonso Rivas-Salmon, a respected Mexican anthropologist at the Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara suggest that the Aztecs originated in Northern America, more precisely modern-day Utah.

According to their theory, the Aztecs originated from Utah’s maze of canyonlands, where experts have found ancient paintings on canyon walls which they believe are eerily similar to symbols depicted on the legendary Aztec calendar.

According to Orosco and Rivas-Salmon, the origin of the Aztecs is written down on Utah’s canyon walls, the home of Quetzalcoatl, pointing towards ancient rock art depicting snakes with four rattles, knotted rope symbols and other figures dividing time according to the four-year and eight-year cycles of Venus.

Furthermore, the researchers suggest how pictographs in Utah showing blue-eyed figured may represent the duality of Venus as the morning and evening star.

The ancient Aztecs held Venus in high regard.

Escaping Aztlan

If we take a look at the Aubin Codex and the Durán Codex, the god of war Huitzilopochtli told the Aztec they should leave Aztlán, and call themselves Mexica instead of Aztecs, and that they should create their capital wherever they found “an eagle standing atop a cactus devouring a snake”.

The Aztecs—Mexica—left Aztlan in 1065 and started a century-long journey settling in different places until they eventually found an eagle and a snake on a cactus on a rock in the middle of Lake Texcoco, the lace where the Mexica created their capital Tenochtitlan. The year of foundation of Tenochtitlan is usually given as 1325. The ethnonym Aztec (Nahuatl ‘‘Aztecah’’) means “people from Aztlan.”

https://www.ancient-code.com/ancient-aztecs-originate-modern-day-utah/
 
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She-male went MIA, eh?

Personally, I am completely fine with Saint Patrick's Day, Indigenous People's Day, Italian-American month, African American month, Cinco de Mayo, German-American month, et al.

One of the things I am proudest of our great nation is our diversity and immigrant heritage, and we should always make acknowledgments of that as the source of our greatest strength.

And I am happy with Columbus Day.

And the bolded above is great. I grew up learning about the melting pot that I believed was the USA. Not so sure nowadays as so many seem to want to fundamentally change things. Oh well…

 
Where were the prior inhabitants from other than Greenland, Canada, parts of Africa and the southern Americas? Go back a thousand years. Where were they from prior to Europe?

Genetic evidence strongly indicates that all indigenous people of the Americas came from Northeast Asia via Beringia.

As for migrations within central America, the origins of the Aztec are somewhat mysterious, and some researchers think they came from the area around Arizona, before migrating South to the Valley of Mexico around 1200 AD
 
Genetic evidence strongly indicates that all indigenous people of the Americas came from Northeast Asia via Beringia.

As for migrations within central America, the origins of the Aztec are somewhat mysterious, and some researchers think they came from the area around Arizona, before migrating South to the Valley of Mexico around 1200 AD

Wow. They were only around for a few hundred years. Did they build the temples in that time or did they take them from someone else?

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/aztec-civilization/
This was not the end of the interactions, however. The Spanish conquistadors laid siege to the Aztec capital from the middle of May of 1521 until they surrendered on August 13, 1521. They were aided by Texcoco, a former Triple Alliance member. A great deal of Tenochtitlan was destroyed in the fighting, or was looted, burned, or destroyed after the surrender. Cortés began to build what is now known as Mexico City, the capital of a Spanish colony of which he was named governor, atop the ruins.
 
Wow. They were only around for a few hundred years. Did they build the temples in that time or did they take them from someone else?

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/aztec-civilization/
This was not the end of the interactions, however. The Spanish conquistadors laid siege to the Aztec capital from the middle of May of 1521 until they surrendered on August 13, 1521. They were aided by Texcoco, a former Triple Alliance member. A great deal of Tenochtitlan was destroyed in the fighting, or was looted, burned, or destroyed after the surrender. Cortés began to build what is now known as Mexico City, the capital of a Spanish colony of which he was named governor, atop the ruins.

Yes, the Aztecs were nothing more than an obscure tribe originally from northern Mexico or Arizona. Frankly, their origins are not well known, but they were relative newcomers in the civilized areas of Central Mexico. They seem to have adopted technologies and culture from the prexisting advanced cultures in central Mexico, but they turned out to be excellent engineers having constructed their iconic capital Tenochtitlan in the valley of Mexico.

They were clearly inspired by the much older civilization associated with the city of Teotihuacan, and the Aztecs ultimately turned out to be talented at building their own temples and cities.

They were clearly gifted at the art of war given how rapidly they defeated the other civilizations in central Mexico. From the European point of view, the Aztec empire had really only existed for a couple of centuries before Cortez showed up, but the Aztecs were really just usurping older civilizations which had existed in central Mexico a thousand years before them
 
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