Gaza Strip follies: a point of clarification.

[Nomad]

Not really. They know that will not happen. They seek self-government and to be free from Israeli encroachment.

Maybe.

I don't claim to know their true intentions, but they have claimed in the past that their goal was to destroy Israel.

The original, 1988 version of the Hamas Charter emphasize four main themes:

Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine.

Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable.

Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden.

Holy war is divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children.

The updated 2017 charter appeared to moderate Hamas's position by stating that Hamas is anti-Zionist, but retains the goal of eliminating Israel.

Personally I don't think there is a "good guy" in this conflict.

They all have plenty enough blood on their hands to go around.

 

[serendipity]

Okay, once more for the intellectually impaired:


"... Interesting thing would be a real polling of the Palestinian people about new leadership...."

That's the adult population living in Palestine.

Got that bunky?

Shit, I thought you were away with the fairies at times, but this is lunacy of a different order!!

 

[Nordberg]

Maybe.

I don't claim to know their true intentions, but they have claimed in the past that their goal was to destroy Israel.

The original, 1988 version of the Hamas Charter emphasize four main themes:

Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine.

Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable.

Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden.

Holy war is divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children.

The updated 2017 charter appeared to moderate Hamas's position by stating that Hamas is anti-Zionist, but retains the goal of eliminating Israel.

Personally I don't think there is a "good guy" in this conflict.

They all have plenty enough blood on their hands to go around.

The people who made that claim died of old age. Palestine has been under Israeli rule for decades . It is easy to see that Israel is a worse threat than Hamas. Palestinians are practically no threat. Hamas is not Palestine. Israel is taking vengeance on Palestinians who did not raid Israel. The raid killed many Israelis and hostages were taken. Israel has killed many, many more Palestinians and is not satisfied yet. About 6000 Palestinians are dead, many more are injured and Gaza is being leveled. Gaze citizens are paying the price for Hamas.

 

[serendipity]

Spoken like the intellectually limited MAGA troll that you are. Thing is Tweetie, if you carpet bomb the entire area, you remove EVERYONE ... HAMAS, non-Hamas men, women and children. That's pretty much been Yahoo's goal from day one.

But since your flabby ass is safe and sound, you can be the little arm chair cheerleader that you are.

Pew-pew-pew, indeed.

Thousands are dying nearly every day in Ukraine, yet you save your ire for the nasty Jews.

 

[Althea]

. Interesting thing would be a real polling of the Palestinian people about new leadership. Just saying.

I think it would be similar to polling re. Putin in Russia. Anyone who didn't support Putin has either been poisoned, died an extremely creative death, or are simply in prison.

I believe Hamas rules in a similar fashion to the Taliban.

 

[serendipity]

Shit, I thought you were away with the fairies at times, but this is lunacy of a different order!!

 

[serendipity]

I think it would be similar to polling re. Putin in Russia. Anyone who didn't support Putin has either been poisoned, died an extremely creative death, or are simply in prison.

I believe Hamas rules in a similar fashion to the Taliban.

The younger ones most certainly, totally ruthless

 

[Dachshund]

That ultimately is the leftist agenda, the complete destruction of western civilization.

Yes, totally agree...the complete annihilation of WHITE WESTERN CIVILISATION is their ultimate objective.



Dachshund - the WONDER HOUUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

 

[Nomad]

The people who made that claim died of old age..

Really...?

The updated 2017 charter appeared to moderate Hamas's position by stating that Hamas is anti-Zionist, but retains the goal of eliminating Israel.

Yes, because 2017 was a lifetime ago, wasn't it?

Palestine has been under Israeli rule for decades . It is easy to see that Israel is a worse threat than Hamas. Palestinians are practically no threat. Hamas is not Palestine. Israel is taking vengeance on Palestinians who did not raid Israel. The raid killed many Israelis and hostages were taken. Israel has killed many, many more Palestinians and is not satisfied yet. About 6000 Palestinians are dead, many more are injured and Gaza is being leveled. Gaze citizens are paying the price for Hamas.

As I said earlier, AFAIC there is no "good guy" or "bad guy" in this neverending soap opera.

Israelis keep electing fascists like Netanyahu and happily move into the settlements created on encroached Palestinian land while Palestinians cheer every act of Islamic terrorism that takes innocent civilian lives.

The best thing that could happen for the rest of the world is for a giant hole to open up under the entire place, causing Israel and Palestine, to collapse into it and be filled back in by the Mediterranean Sea.

 

[Althea]

As I said earlier, AFAIC there is no "good guy" or "bad guy" in this never ending soap opera.

Israelis keep electing fascists like Netanyahu and happily move into the settlements created on encroached Palestinian land while Palestinians cheer every act of Islamic terrorism that takes innocent civilian lives.

The best thing that could happen for the rest of the world is for a giant hole to open up under the entire place, causing Israel and Palestine, to collapse into it and be filled back in by the Mediterranean Sea.

Well said. This is another issue that divides these boards. There is a small handful of members who can see this logically and not resort to hysterics when discussing a rather frustrating issue that has quite a few moving parts.

What can be more moronic than demanding "All Palestinians are terrorists because Hamas is their chosen govt..'?

Or 'All Jews are terrorists because their current leader (who, like cancer, just keeps coming back) keeps expanding into the West Bank, and murders Palestinians'.

Neither side will give an inch, and discussing the matter is usually a dead end.

 

[Dachshund]

Well said. This is another issue that divides these boards. There is a small handful of members who can see this logically and not resort to hysterics when discussing a rather frustrating issue that has quite a few moving parts.

What can be more moronic than demanding "All Palestinians are terrorists because Hamas is their chosen govt..'?

Or 'All Jews are terrorists because their current leader (who, like cancer, just keeps coming back) keeps expanding into the West Bank, and murders Palestinians'.

Neither side will give an inch, and discussing the matter is usually a dead end.

What does it say about the morality, average intelligence and cultural sophistication of a population of Sunny MuslimS who choose to be governed by terrorist animals like HAMAS. The Palestinian civilians are followers of Islam. Islam teaches the to hate the Jews because Israel is a civilised, White Western society. Thus, because they also have a notably low, average IQ, they had no objection to being governed by HAMAS. In fact, since 2007, they have supported and enabled HAMAS' violence by willingly doing what the terrorists tell them to do. The Palestinian Arab Islamic "civilians" of Gaza, are: primitive; ignorant; stupid; "fucked up", low-life. They are actually de facto terrorists, because while they did not personally rape and murder (1500) civilians in the South of Israel on Saturday the 7th of October, they were nonetheless complicit in that atrocity, and they welcomed it as a "successful", large-scale strike against Israel.


In short, I have no problem with Netanyahu wiping the entire population of Gaza of the face of the earth in response to what took place in Israel on 7th of October. Because what took place that day was PURE EVIL, and anyone connected with it in any way needs to die.


Israel's war in Gaza is a JUST WAR.



Dachshund - the WONDER HOUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

 

[Nordberg]

What does it say about the morality, average intelligence and cultural sophistication of a population of Sunny MuslimS who choose to be governed by terrorist animals like HAMAS. The Palestinian civilians are followers of Islam. Islam teaches the to hate the Jews because Israel is a civilised, White Western society. Thus, because they also have a notably low, average IQ, they had no objection to being governed by HAMAS. In fact, since 2007, they have supported and enabled HAMAS' violence by willingly doing what the terrorists tell them to do. The Palestinian Arab Islamic "civilians" of Gaza, are: primitive; ignorant; stupid; "fucked up", low-life. They are actually de facto terrorists, because while they did not personally rape and murder (1500) civilians in the South of Israel on Saturday the 7th of October, they were nonetheless complicit in that atrocity, and they welcomed it as a "successful", large-scale strike against Israel.


In short, I have no problem with Netanyahu wiping the entire population of Gaza of the face of the earth in response to what took place in Israel on 7th of October. Because what took place that day was PURE EVIL, and anyone connected with it in any way needs to die.


Israel's war in Gaza is a JUST WAR.



Dachshund - the WONDER HOUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

Netanyahoo killing all the Gazan civilians is a crime far larger than Hamas's They are just people with no control over their lives.. Israel has always run them .

 

[Althea]

What does it say about the morality, average intelligence and cultural sophistication of a population of Sunny MuslimS who choose to be governed by terrorist animals like HAMAS. The Palestinian civilians are followers of Islam. Islam teaches the to hate the Jews because Israel is a civilised, White Western society. Thus, because they also have a notably low, average IQ, they had no objection to being governed by HAMAS. In fact, since 2007, they have supported and enabled HAMAS' violence by willingly doing what the terrorists tell them to do. The Palestinian Arab Islamic "civilians" of Gaza, are: primitive; ignorant; stupid; "fucked up", low-life. They are actually de facto terrorists, because while they did not personally rape and murder (1500) civilians in the South of Israel on Saturday the 7th of October, they were nonetheless complicit in that atrocity, and they welcomed it as a "successful", large-scale strike against Israel.


In short, I have no problem with Netanyahu wiping the entire population of Gaza of the face of the earth in response to what took place in Israel on 7th of October. Because what took place that day was PURE EVIL, and anyone connected with it in any way needs to die.


Israel's war in Gaza is a JUST WAR.



Dachshund - the WONDER HOUND

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

I am typically loathe to even respond to your posts, as you go out of your way to act like a moron.

This should dispel the moronic notion put forth by some here that all Palestinians are terrorists because they are being held hostage by Hamas.

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

PA isn't much different than Hamas, but there seems to be serious buyer's remorse over selecting Hamas years ago.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.

Only an absolute moron would pretend that all Palestinians support terrorists.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post


Okay, once more for the intellectually impaired:


"... Interesting thing would be a real polling of the Palestinian people about new leadership...."

That's the adult population living in Palestine.

Got that bunky?

Shit, I thought you were away with the fairies at times, but this is lunacy of a different order!!

Jeez Tommy, you need to lay off the booze or whatever the hell you're abusing. You can't even muster a decent debate beyond a lame attempt at a schoolyard insult. Sad.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Spoken like the intellectually limited MAGA troll that you are. Thing is Tweetie, if you carpet bomb the entire area, you remove EVERYONE ... HAMAS, non-Hamas men, women and children. That's pretty much been Yahoo's goal from day one.

But since your flabby ass is safe and sound, you can be the little arm chair cheerleader that you are.

Pew-pew-pew, indeed.

Thousands are dying nearly every day in Ukraine, yet you save your ire for the nasty Jews.

Umm, Tommy? Didn't you have exchanges with me on some Ukraine based threads? And if not, didn't you at least comment on a thread that I also commented on? What's the topic here, dimwit? If you don't have the tools to engage me on this topic, then stop wasting yours and everyone else's time in having to read your axe grinding BS. GTFU, Tommy. Jeez.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
. Interesting thing would be a real polling of the Palestinian people about new leadership. Just saying.

I think it would be similar to polling re. Putin in Russia. Anyone who didn't support Putin has either been poisoned, died an extremely creative death, or are simply in prison.

I believe Hamas rules in a similar fashion to the Taliban.

NOT out of the realm of possibility.

 

[serendipity]

Jeez Tommy, you need to lay off the booze or whatever the hell you're abusing. You can't even muster a decent debate beyond a lame attempt at a schoolyard insult. Sad.

Hamas need to be totally destroyed before the Overton Window closes, that's all you need to know, bunky.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Jeez Tommy, you need to lay off the booze or whatever the hell you're abusing. You can't even muster a decent debate beyond a lame attempt at a schoolyard insult. Sad.

Hamas need to be totally destroyed before the Overton Window closes, that's all you need to know, bunky.

Hey folks, Tommy is trying to be a condescending intellectual!

WTF makes you think that there is a world wide majority acceptance level of Israel's over-kill response? Hell, from day one you had ISRAELI'S pointing out the error in Yahoo's actions, much less questioning how all this crap happened on his incompetent watch. And then you have all that noise in the American media about the jump in anti Semitism along with valid criticism of the Israeli response.

All while acknowledging the heinous actions of HAMAS, and a question as to why weren't hit squads initially sent in to take out the leadership of those responsible.

No, my Dippy Thomas, your little theoretical application doesn't cut it here. That proverbial window was never open ... only in the minds of zionist yahoos and their flunkies. Carry on.

 

[serendipity]

Hey folks, Tommy is trying to be a condescending intellectual!

WTF makes you think that there is a world wide majority acceptance level of Israel's over-kill response? Hell, from day one you had ISRAELI'S pointing out the error in Yahoo's actions, much less questioning how all this crap happened on his incompetent watch. And then you have all that noise in the American media about the jump in anti Semitism along with valid criticism of the Israeli response.

All while acknowledging the heinous actions of HAMAS, and a question as to why weren't hit squads initially sent in to take out the leadership of those responsible.

No, my Dippy Thomas, your little theoretical application doesn't cut it here. That proverbial window was never open ... only in the minds of zionist yahoos and their flunkies. Carry on.

Jeez, you really are a wheezy old windbag.

 

[serendipity]

Hamas need to be totally destroyed before the Overton Window closes, that's all you need to know, bunky.

They are no different to AQ and Daesh, I didn't hear much squawking from you about the Russians in Syria. They don't fuck about and neither do the Israelis.