Fellow Christians, what does this passage mean to you?

PostmodernProphet said:
except they do....



http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c2.shtml#q18
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From the same web page...

"Ours is a non-creedal, non-doctrinal religion which affirms the individual's freedom of belief. For this reason it is not possible to give a blanket answer to whether or not UUs believe in God, Jesus, the Bible or life after death. Although we do not all believe the same thing about these and other matters, we do believe that each person has the integrity and the ability to come to terms with their religious beliefs in a way that is right for that person."
 
Jarod said:
Are you dumb or something? Please note where the quote said "most". It may be that many do believe what you say, but the Chirch does not deny the Divinity of Christ, it's simply that many of the members do not believe it... Two different things.

Additionally your cite comes form the UU church in Nashua, mine came from the National Headquarters. My cite trumps yours!
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lol....reality trumps all......how long did you attend this UU church while being unaware of what they believed?......
 
Phanes said:
Catholics partake in Confessions because the Bible told them so... :whome:

http://www.o-bible.com/cgibin/ob.cgi?version=bbe&book=jhn&chapter=20

Try reading from John 20:20, and may you have better vision, my son.
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The difference is that Christian's reject any intercessor other then Christ in their confessions. They may seek elders or others in the church to help them stay accountable to an area they are weak in- but they reject the notion that anyone but Christ can or is able to intercede on their behalf- it is at the crux of the Reformation.
 
icedancer2theend said:
The difference is that Christian's reject any intercessor other then Christ in their confessions. They may seek elders or others in the church to help them stay accountable to an area they are weak in- but they reject the notion that anyone but Christ can or is able to intercede on their behalf- it is at the crux of the Reformation.
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Matt 23: 9...

"Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven"
 
Damocles said:
He's confusing "born again" with "Christian" in totality. Many Christians do not believe that most Catholics are "saved" because they haven't psychically informed God that they were going to take Jesus into their heart. This is according to John Chapter 3, where Jesus spoke to Nicodemus telling him that to get into the Kingdom of Heaven he must be "born again" (of the spirit).

The whole Psychically informing God thing comes from Romans, Chapter 10...

The psychic connection is the part where you are proving you "believe in your heart"...
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You are wrong. It was the Roman Catholic Church that proclaimed "anathema" on Protestants. The rejection of Roman Catholicism is due to where it parts ways with Protestantism over specific teachings. This is not to say that protestants do not believe their are Catholics that are saved or not saved. The division is over teachings.
 
icedancer2theend said:
You are wrong. It was the Roman Catholic Church that proclaimed "anathema" on Protestants. The rejection of Roman Catholicism is due to where it parts ways with Protestantism over specific teachings. This is not to say that protestants do not believe their are Catholics that are saved or not saved. The division is over teachings.
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Hence the word "most", and I am not wrong. What I say here are things actually said to me in my time spent in a personal prison of the mega-church where I grew up. Of course I say psychically connect with God rather than prayer, but that is because I like being funny.

They believe that most Catholics are not "saved" because they are not "born again", and those are the steps to take to be "born again"...

You can read about it in the Left Behind series if you'd like where they address the issue. In the series the Pope at the time of the rapture was born again and was "caught up", but most Catholics were not, the new Pope supports the Anti-Christ...
 
Damocles said:
Hence the word "most", and I am not wrong. What I say here are things actually said to me in my time spent in a personal prison of the mega-church where I grew up. Of course I say psychically connect with God rather than prayer, but that is because I like being funny.

They believe that most Catholics are not "saved" because they are not "born again", and those are the steps to take to be "born again"...

You can read about it in the Left Behind series if you'd like where they address the issue. In the series the Pope at the time of the rapture was born again and was "caught up", but most Catholics were not, the new Pope supports the Anti-Christ...
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I forgot you were raised in the charismatic movement Damo- but mainstream traditional Christianity teaches differently. The "Left Behind" series is a fictional work and is a poor construct of actual theology.
 
Damocles said:
He's confusing "born again" with "Christian" in totality. Many Christians do not believe that most Catholics are "saved" because they haven't psychically informed God that they were going to take Jesus into their heart. This is according to John Chapter 3, where Jesus spoke to Nicodemus telling him that to get into the Kingdom of Heaven he must be "born again" (of the spirit).

The whole Psychically informing God thing comes from Romans, Chapter 10...



The psychic connection is the part where you are proving you "believe in your heart"...
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Oh, I know that. I used to hang with people who were born-again and they were always praying for my soul. One of their beliefs I found odd was that only 666,000 Christians would gain heaven at the end times, so their priority was to get as many people as possible to be "born again'.
 
christiefan915 said:
You're playing fast and loose with the word "worship." Catholics worship God and God alone. We venerate, revere and honor Mary and the saints, and respect sacred tradition, but worship is only for God.
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This is one of the things Catholics have always been accused of doing. Catholics look to Mary and the Saints as examples of how to live and ask for their intercession. God is still God. Mary and the saints are like lawyers before a judge, pleading a case is the Catholic view, it is not worship.
 
Rana said:
This is one of the things Catholics have always been accused of doing. Catholics look to Mary and the Saints as examples of how to live and ask for their intercession. God is still God. Mary and the saints are like lawyers before a judge, pleading a case is the Catholic view, it is not worship.
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I like the way you put that, so true.
 
Rana said:
This is one of the things Catholics have always been accused of doing. Catholics look to Mary and the Saints as examples of how to live and ask for their intercession. God is still God. Mary and the saints are like lawyers before a judge, pleading a case is the Catholic view, it is not worship.
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The charismatic movement, as ID correctly calls it, would cite John 14:6 "No man comes to the Father, but by me." They reject intercession theory. Saints are not your connection to God, God is through Christ.

I met one man, I can't remember the church he was part of, who believed that because of John 6:44 ("No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.") that God chose who would be saved and that I was one that God simply rejected from the beginning. He believed that I would never be saved, that God Himself decided that I wasn't worthy of being drawn to Christ. He really made me feel like a bug. What an a$$...
 
Lowaicue said:
Man created god in his own image.... that means that god has existed since man made him/her/it. Having created god, man can now destroy god.
That would be nice for all you misguided Americans who parade their christianity like a Madison Avenue product slogan.

There is no god. There is philosophy and there is, perhaps, a gap in the language that has been filled with the word 'god' but as far as that 'idea' being a supernatural deity it is, of course, absolute nonsense.

That is not to say that the weak of mind should not continue to get comfort from the idea. I hope they do.
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The only thing I would contest is weak mind. There have been too many great minds that believe in something greater than the human experience, but otherwise, I agree with the rest of your statement.
 
Damocles said:
Except you really can't. Universal is not the same thing as Unitarian, which teaches that the "trinity" is not a "trinity"...

All of that is just a side note, however... I was just throwing out my useless knowledge gained by a long wasted youth in SuperChurchFamily forcing me to attend "The Bible in Greek" classes among others in their Bible College to save my "Atheist" soul.
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Learning another language gave you extra brain synapsis, so look at it as helping your brain for engineering! It also gave you knowledge to debate here?!
 
Phanes said:
LOTS and LOTS of confession!
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I see more of a conflict in being a conservative Capitalist than a liberal when it comes to Biblical teachings. Proverbs is full of warnings against lending and usury. Jesus didn't like material wealth.
 
Rana said:
Learning another language gave you extra brain synapsis, so look at it as helping your brain for engineering! It also gave you knowledge to debate here?!
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I actually cherish that time now. During it all, it was a painful experience. Around 10 (just before actually) I "outed" myself as a non-believer and from then on was both ostracized and focused on. I was singled out, isolated, and forced into studies that have, IMO, helped me immensely in the long run... but I was a sad child. After my talent for language was discovered I was forced to be a sign language translator during services so that I would have to go, and to pay attention. In that capacity I was forced to participate in such things as the Prison Ministry... I can tell you some stories.

One of these days I may write a book about the experience.
 
DamnYankee said:
Then they are living a lie, especially the pro-abortionists.
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A conservative is also living a lie, if he is a Catholic. Being a Pro-Abortionist may be a problem with being a Catholic, beliveing abotrion sould be legal is not a conflict.
 
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