Every green initiative has been a disaster

Milagro said:
Yes I should jump because you've ask me so nicely!!

Well if it's anything like Ivanpah I would keep the cork in the champagne bottle. The Ivanpah project has a nominal capacity of 370 MW but in reality it is more like 114MW, this at a cost of $2.2 billion which works out at $19/Watt or over three times that of a nuclear power station. The heliostats alone weigh in at a hefty 30,000 tonnes and the bulldozed area amounted to over 20 times that for an nuclear power station with 10 times the capacity.

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Damn.
I told you Ivanpah put out 93% of it's contract by'15 and that was first gen.
The molten salt unit at Crescent Dune has ten hours of storage and no bird frying zone.
Also land in the dessert has little other value so that issue is pointless.
Kindly point out the failure aspects.
You can't, therefore your premise is bullshit.
 
Milagro said:
Well I've already told you that Germany has found out the hard way that wind and solar power actually result in more CO2 not less, so how is that exactly helping? I have absolutely nothing against renewables, if they work and don't cost the Earth.

Of course I don't subscribe to the alarmist view of catastrophic AGW, so I don't feel the need to run around shouting the sky is falling as so many idiots on here seem to do. How can anyone believe what the likes of NOAA were doing with temperatures? Last year was declared the hottest by a huge 0.01C which is well inside the margin for error. The two satellite datasets UAH and RSS both show that 1998 and 2016, both extreme El Nino years, tied for that title. Hence it is true to say that there has been no warming in the past 18 years.

Let me ask you a question, when do you think a viable cheap storage system will become available, I would guess at least another 15 years or more, what say you?

http://www.thegwpf.com/fritz-vahrenholt-germany-faces-an-energy-political-fiasco/
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Again for the myopic dick, Crescent Dune runs on storage until midnight.
 
Rune said:
Damn.
I told you Ivanpah put out 93% of it's contract by'15 and that was first gen.
The molten salt unit at Crescent Dune has ten hours of storage and no bird frying zone.
Also land in the dessert has little other value so that issue is pointless.
Kindly point out the failure aspects.
You can't, therefore your premise is bullshit.
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Crescent Dune is even worse, it has nameplate capacity of 110MW and actual capacity factor of 16.1%. All for the remarkably cheap price of a billion dollars!! I will say one thing about you though, you have tenacity, and ignorance, lots of that.

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Rune said:
Damn.
I told you Ivanpah put out 93% of it's contract by'15 and that was first gen.
The molten salt unit at Crescent Dune has ten hours of storage and no bird frying zone.
Also land in the dessert has little other value so that issue is pointless.
Kindly point out the failure aspects.
You can't, therefore your premise is bullshit.
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Somebody ought to tell Wiki, they say it has a capacity factor of 20.5%.

Do you think that all those reflectors clean themselves? Ivanpah has 135,000, how much do you think that costs?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility


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Milagro said:
I don't have a bias towards fossil fuels, I have a bias to what works. If the current generation of renewables like wind turbines are so wonderful then why are the UK and Germany planning to remove the subsidies in 2019?

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Simple you retard.
Buildout of wind is completed within reason in Europe considering the need of baseline generation.
There will never be too much solar though or other forms such as geothermal and tidal current.
Those both can be used as baseline and solar production correlates rather precisely with demand.
In fact as the grid itself becomes smarter, with super capacitors in addition to electric vehicles( storage you twat) even wind generation will again have room for more capacity.
It is a balancing act and must account for uneven growth in addition to unforseen advances.
 
Rune said:
Simple you retard.
Buildout of wind is completed within reason in Europe considering the need of baseline generation.
There will never be too much solar though or other forms such as geothermal and tidal current.
Those both can be used as baseline and solar production correlates rather precisely with demand.
In fact as the grid itself becomes smarter, with super capacitors in addition to electric vehicles( storage you twat) even wind generation will again have room for more capacity.
It is a balancing act and must account for uneven growth in addition to unforseen advances.
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Right, so that explains why Germany has built so many lignite (brown coal) power stations then?? It of course has nothing to do with the Germans have the second highest electricity prices, only Denmark is higher, in the Western world. They also need to import nuclear from other countries like Poland and France because their system is so erratic.


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Mott the Hoople said:
...and they account for an absolutely minute fraction of the earths biomass. So inert it isn't even statistically significant and the carbon produced by cyanobacteria is inorganic carbon and not organic carbon. You do understand the significance of that I presume?
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Boom! Rune
 
Rune said:
Simple you retard.
Buildout of wind is completed within reason in Europe considering the need of baseline generation.
There will never be too much solar though or other forms such as geothermal and tidal current.
Those both can be used as baseline and solar production correlates rather precisely with demand.
In fact as the grid itself becomes smarter, with super capacitors in addition to electric vehicles( storage you twat) even wind generation will again have room for more capacity.
It is a balancing act and must account for uneven growth in addition to unforseen advances.
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How does solar match demand? It is at its greatest in Summer when least needed and virtually non existent in Winter when it is definitely needed.

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Milagro said:
Right, so that explains why Germany has built so many lignite (brown coal) power stations then?? It of course has nothing to do with the Germans have the second highest electricity prices, only Denmark is higher, in the Western world. They also need to import nuclear from other countries like Poland and France because their system is so erratic.


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What part of transition, buildout and uneven growth do you not understand?
 
Milagro said:
How does solar match demand? It is at its greatest in Summer when least needed and virtually non existent in Winter when it is definitely needed.

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It matches demand on a daily cycle you retard.
Low demand at night high demand during the day.
This is one of the big reasons why charging electric cars at night helps balance the load.
At this point you are acting the fool.
 
Micawber said:
Nascent industries only need support so long as they need it. Maybe they no longer need it and/or those countries are in an austerity phase? Perhaps they are overbuilt? There are other alternatives that would also explain defunding of program(s). How unscientific not to consider those reasons.

Oil prices are low and there is a glut. Epic fail.
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Thank you.
Well said.
 
Milagro said:
So now we are into conspiracy theories, so explain why T. Boone Pickens, a Texas oilman, was so enthusiastic about wind. It's simple enough, he saw the huge subsidies and decided to fill his boots.

No topless women in Scotland where the majority of UK oil is located, it's too bloody cold. You might see some blue tits though, of the feathered variety only.


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That's funny because the beaches in Norway are full of topless women in the summer.
 
Rune said:
Only in bizzaro world where you live retard.
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Mott said only organic carbon can become oil, and according to Mott, cyanobacteria only sequesters inorganic carbon.

Learn how to read, assfume inhaler.
 
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