Every green initiative has been a disaster

Milagro said:
He is pretty much spot on here, huge sums has been wasted by ignorant politicians virtue signalling and burnishing their green credentials. Booker is specifically talking about the UK but the US is no different really.

http://climatechangedispatch.com/every-green-initiative-has-been-a-disaster-says-christopher-booker/

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The U.S is very different. They banned diesel vehicles, until they could run cleaner.

So V.W, and other companies (no doubt) simply programmed the cars to trick the emissions tests into thinking they were running cleaner than they were.

Now, millions of drivers, along with these companies, are screwed.
 
Althea said:
The U.S is very different. They banned diesel vehicles, until they could run cleaner.

So V.W, and other companies (no doubt) simply programmed the cars to trick the emissions tests into thinking they were running cleaner than they were.

Now, millions of drivers, along with these companies, are screwed.
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We have something called the MOT over here, every car over three years has to have an annual checkup which includes an emissions test. A diesel car has a CO limit of 0.50 gm/km; a NOx limit of 0.25 gm/km; a combined HC and NOx limit of 0.30 gm/km; and a PM limit of 0.025 gm/km.

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Milagro said:
We have something called the MOT over here, every car over three years has to have an annual checkup which includes an emissions test. A diesel car has a CO limit of 0.50 gm/km; a NOx limit of 0.25 gm/km; a combined HC and NOx limit of 0.30 gm/km; and a PM limit of 0.025 gm/km.

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I don't know what the emissions limits are here, or if they test for more than they do in Europe. I do know that for many years, my mechanic was hailing the mph of diesels that were not allowed in the U.S.

Then, as with coal, they simply named them 'clean', and voila! Diesel was everywhere. Now we're finding that it just isn't possible.

I will say that it's a little harder to smell a diesel car in front of you than it was in the 80's, but it's still obvious.
 
Althea said:
I don't know what the emissions limits are here, or if they test for more than they do in Europe. I do know that for many years, my mechanic was hailing the mph of diesels that were not allowed in the U.S.

Then, as with coal, they simply named them 'clean', and voila! Diesel was everywhere. Now we're finding that it just isn't possible.

I will say that it's a little harder to smell a diesel car in front of you than it was in the 80's, but it's still obvious.
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My point is that diesel cars seemingly pass the emissions test for NOx due I presume to the engine management firmware knowing this is a test environment. Diesel cars can be designed to emit far less NOx and some do but many don't, I can only assume that the reason is cost
 
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Most ignorant thread ever. Who do I believe, you or my lying hybrids, wind farms, geothermal, solar arrays, national parks, cal condors, and organic nutritious food?

Ass
 
Milagro said:
He is pretty much spot on here, huge sums has been wasted by ignorant politicians virtue signalling and burnishing their green credentials. Booker is specifically talking about the UK but the US is no different really.

http://climatechangedispatch.com/every-green-initiative-has-been-a-disaster-says-christopher-booker/

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I do not accept the premise of your thread.

But more importantly, what is your motivation for being an advocate for more dirty and polluting technologies? Why are seemingly you such an advocate for coal and oil?
 
One thing the State Media and Al Gorians have taught us is that there are NO other "pollutants" or environmental problems other than life giving CO2. Who are they protecting?
 
Hybrid cars are made for rich people and their egos, and subsidized for the rich by the common working man. :palm:
 
Cypress said:
I do not accept the premise of your thread.

But more importantly, what is your motivation for being an advocate for more dirty and polluting technologies? Why are seemingly you such an advocate for coal and oil?
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I am not, I am an advocate for CCGT, third gen/4th nuclear power and renewables when a cheap storage solution is found in the future. Unless there is a great breakthrough I can't see that happening any time soon.

I could explain all this to you in far greater detail but it most certainly would go over your head, as you are just not very bright and are a zealot first and foremost.

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Rune said:
Big Petroleum pays him to post this garbage.
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Can you tell me where I can go to collect my cheque? Rune you are just another zealot who I've learnt long ago to treat with contempt and derision, it is truly pointless engaging you.

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Bigdog said:
One thing the State Media and Al Gorians have taught us is that there are NO other "pollutants" or environmental problems other than life giving CO2. Who are they protecting?
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Got it. You believe we should burn more coal and oil, and add more and more CO2 to the atmosphere.
 
Cypress said:
Got it. You believe we should burn more coal and oil, and add more and more CO2 to the atmosphere.
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In just that one sentence you reveal that you're more scientologist than scientist. I have no time for zealots that just spout mindless bullshit. I'll bloody guarantee that you didn't even to bother to read that article before you came on here to vent your spleen.

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Cypress said:
Got it. You believe we should burn more coal and oil, and add more and more CO2 to the atmosphere.
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All that CO2 in the ground in the form of oil and coal, used to be in the atmosphere. :palm: The planet Earth is currently in its 3rd ICEHOUSE and in a state of CO2 starvation.
 
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