Corona Virus Peak Watch Thread

[Cypress]

And there is also this, as to why some of our lesser-cognitively-endowed RW friends want to pretend that the COVID-19 deaths are vastly inflated:

I believe Donald Trump complained and whined about Obama's response to E. boli when it killed two Americans

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I believe Donald Trump complained and whined about Obama's response to E. boli when it killed two Americans

Yes, he did, and there's a meme for that, too. (Multiply the numbers in the lower half by a factor of four):

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It was my impression that Stretch thinks that the deaths are inflated as well as the positive cases. As for the why is it important -- the numbers make the Mango Messiah look bad. When he looks bad, he won't get re-elected. When he doesn't get re-elected, he won't be able to bring about God's Kingdom on Earth, the End Times, the tribulations, blah blah blah. Keep in mind that this is a person who, on this very forum, predicted that the world would end on a specific time and date and oops.

Is that really true? Do have a link or clues where to find it because such predictions are very interesting insights into a person's thinking process.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

And there is also this, as to why some of our lesser-cognitively-endowed RW friends want to pretend that the COVID-19 deaths are vastly inflated:

Trump, the 'Merican Killer.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Well said. I do think the CDC has suffered from politicization. However, I will go with their stats over -- as you said -- a politician or a moron on a chat board. As many a president has discovered, in government it is *very* difficult to pull of a conspiracy and not get caught. The CDC is composed of scientists, physicians, even statisticians and mathematicians. Stretch and her RW sources? Meh.

Isn't it interesting, in the poll you cited, how far down the trusted list are clergy? I wonder why *that* is? The most trusted ppl have scientific educations.

The CDC has been politically attacked, but I don't see doctors and scientists becoming political since it would be antithetical to their professions.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Is that really true? Do have a link or clues where to find it because such predictions are very interesting insights into a person's thinking process.

Check your PMs.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Check your PMs.

Thanks!

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The CDC has been politically attacked, but I don't see doctors and scientists becoming political since it would be antithetical to their professions.

You are exactly right. There is always some of that, to be sure, because scientific and academic funding does depend on a certain amount of ass-kissing by the managers of the labs and research facilities in order to get that funding.

But the data itself is not subject to political pressure, because it can be so easily verified and there goes your reputation -- and with it your funding and your career. That's why I am fairly sure that Florida's statistics, despite the best efforts of certain politicians in that state to meddle with them, are pretty much accurate.

And that should really worry Stretch, who lives there.

 

[Stretch]

Confirmed by the state, not the CDC. Are you admitting you "misspoke" when you falsely claimed there was no lab evidence of those local and state tests?

Are you pretending to not understand or do you really NOT understand.
CDC reports sum of presumed cases plus confirmed cases and calls them allllllllllllllllllllll confirmed cases.
Now to make it easier for the CDC to jack up the numbers and chaos, they decide it's really not even necessary
anymore for them to officially confirm the states' reports. So, now the government health departments and labs
can get as creative as they like.
A couple states have already begun getting caught falsifying their numbers, coding a motor cycle death as Covid, etc.
Hopefully, more reporters will be investigating in other states. These spreadsheets need to be made public with just
the patient name being redacted.

 

[Stretch]

How are cases reported?

We have three levels of case definition: suspected, probable and confirmed cases. What is measured and reported by governments and international organizations?

International organizations – namely the WHO and European CDC – report case figures submitted by national governments. Wherever possible they aim to report confirmed cases, for two key reasons:

1. They have a higher degree of certainty because they have laboratory confirmation;

2. They held to provide standardised comparisons between countries. However, international bodies can only provide figures as submitted by national governments and reporting institutions. Countries can define slightly different criteria for how cases are defined and reported.4 Some countries have, over the course of the outbreak, changed their reporting methodologies to also include probable cases.

One example of this is the United States. Until 14th April the US CDC provided daily reports on the number of confirmed cases. However, as of 14th April, it now provides a single figure of cases: the sum of confirmed and probable.

Suspected case figures are usually not reported. The European CDC notes that suspected cases should not be reported at the European level (although countries may record this information for national records) but are used to understand who should be tested for the disease.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases?country=~USA#how-are-cases-reported

 

[Stretch]

And, then there are the times when the gubment healthcare system can just go off road and screw up all on its own.

 

[Nordberg]

Stretch lies again. https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids Kids do get it. We all know it is rarer than adults getting it.. However a problem similar to Kawasaki disease is hitting kids. That is very serious. However some kids die from it.

 

[Stretch]

Stretch lies again. https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids Kids do get it. We all know it is rarer than adults getting it.. However a problem similar to Kawasaki disease is hitting kids. That is very serious. However some kids die from it.

Very few. Unfortunately children who have an immune disorder have the roughest time fighting it.
A whole lot more die each year from the flu.

 

[moon]

Very few. Unfortunately children who have an immune disorder have the roughest time fighting it.
A whole lot more die each year from the flu.

The pandemic is catastrophic for America. Many thousands of people have died needlessly because they've been misled about the danger.
Why don't you quit trying to downplay it and do something useful with your day ?

 

[PoliTalker]

Every day there are more Active Cases than the day before.

More people are getting sick with COVID-19 than cases being resolved, one way or another.

Deaths are down a little. We like that.

But it is very troubling that so many people get this and can't get rid of it.

It has been reported that the effects can be very long lasting.

You don't want this, and you don't want it on your conscience that you maybe had it without symptoms, but then gave it to somebody else who died or suffered long and hard.

 

[RB 60]

The pandemic is catastrophic for America. Many thousands of people have died needlessly because they've been misled about the danger.
Why don't you quit trying to downplay it and do something useful with your day ?

It is catastrophic for the whole world, stupid foreigner. China, where it originated, misled about the danger. By the time it was found out, it was already widespread.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Every day there are more Active Cases than the day before.

More people are getting sick with COVID-19 than cases being resolved, one way or another.

Deaths are down a little. We like that.

But it is very troubling that so many people get this and can't get rid of it.

It has been reported that the effects can be very long lasting.

You don't want this, and you don't want it on your conscience that you maybe had it without symptoms, but then gave it to somebody else who died or suffered long and hard.

WHO and CDC authorities have been warning about this for half a year now. Other First World nations took precautions regarding this novel virus, but the US was wrapped in itself and blew off warnings as nothing more than another flu bug. It's obviously not just another flu bug as several of our more extreme RWers have been screaming up until just a few weeks ago. Now they are screaming other things but no longer comparing it to the flu. Well, most of them. Some unfortunates are so deluded, they still compare COVID-19 to the flu.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-06-2020-covidtimeline

https://www.ajmc.com/focus-of-the-week/a-timeline-of-covid19-developments-in-2020

 

[moon]

It is catastrophic for the whole world, stupid foreigner. China, where it originated, misled about the danger. By the time it was found out, it was already widespread.

Wtf do you care about the rest of world, dumbass Paleface- and blaming China is a moronic ploy to cover the ass of a moronic president. And your own Paleface ass, of course.

Go home.

 

[PoliTalker]

Sunday

7-26

USA

Total Cases 4,371,839

New Cases +56,130

Total Deaths 149,849

New Deaths +451

Total Recovered 2,090,129

Active Cases 2,131,861

Serious, Critical 18,986

Tot Cases/1M pop 13,202

Deaths/1M pop 453

Total Tests 54,219,575

Tests/1M pop 163,736

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It is catastrophic for the whole world, stupid foreigner. China, where it originated, misled about the danger. By the time it was found out, it was already widespread.

Agreed about "the whole world". Less on the "blame China" bullshit. Yes, like most flus, COVID-19 originated in China. It's a novel virus. We, the world's greatest nation barely understand it yet some people expect China to have understood immediately what it was and provide treatment.

FWIW, I don't know why most flus originate in East and Southeast Asia. It's not population since India is densely populated too. It must have something to do with geography and weather patterns like Tornado Alley in the US. Notice that tornadoes are so rare in Europe that they are news where only the deadly ones are noted in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_tornadoes_and_tornado_outbreaks#20th_century


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/that-flu-you-caught-it-ca/
"For over 60 years the global travel patterns of the influenza virus have been a mystery," study co-author Colin Russell, an epidemiologist specializing in pathogen evolution at the University of Cambridge in England said during a teleconference today. Russell said that he and his colleagues found that each year since 2002 new strains of influenza A (H3N2), the most infectious variety of seasonal flu, originated in "the east and Southeast Asian circulation network," which spans from Malaysia and western Indonesia to Korea and Japan. The virus showed up in Europe and North America six to nine months later—and then continued on to South America.

The finding will allow researchers to refine their search for new influenza strains and manufacture a yearly vaccine designed to give recipients resistance to the right ones. "Flu evolves quickly and in complex ways," so this will help the World Health Organization (WHO) track and aim at the right strains with annual vaccines, says co-author Derek Smith, a Cambridge epidemiologist and member of the WHO committee tasked with planning WHO's annual flu shot regimen.