Corona Virus Peak Watch Thread
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Darth Omar
Russian asset
Political agendas aside, the virus is gonna virus to a large extent.
How are the hospitals holding up?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
So far, most of them are keeping up with our irresponsibility. Some are struggling. Many have expanded ICU capacity in response.
We had a discussion at just how much death there is at the beginning of this month.
On July 4th, we passed 400 deaths per million.
Look at how much that has grown since then. All too soon we will be at 500 deaths per million.
These are not numbers we can easily just BS away. These are serious numbers, calling for a serious response.
We blow this off at our own expense. The Pandemic is what is keeping the economy from bouncing back. There's no short cut here. If we want our economy back we have to seriously deal with the pandemic. They cannot be separated. The longer the right holds out and tries to ignore this and blow it off, the longer it will be until we get our economy back.
Why is it that liberals can see this so plainly, but it is so elusive for so many on the right?
So far, most of them are keeping up with our irresponsibility. Some are struggling. Many have expanded ICU capacity in response.
We had a discussion at just how much death there is at the beginning of this month.
On July 4th, we passed 400 deaths per million.
Look at how much that has grown since then. All too soon we will be at 500 deaths per million.
These are not numbers we can easily just BS away. These are serious numbers, calling for a serious response.
We blow this off at our own expense. The Pandemic is what is keeping the economy from bouncing back. There's no short cut here. If we want our economy back we have to seriously deal with the pandemic. They cannot be separated. The longer the right holds out and tries to ignore this and blow it off, the longer it will be until we get our economy back.
Why is it that liberals can see this so plainly, but it is so elusive for so many on the right?
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Why can’t Democrat’s plainly see that including ‘died with COVID’ inflates the death count?
At any rate, I was more interested in the hospitals since the stats are dubious. I posted a link from the Miami-Dade tracker which shows ICU’s that region are only running 2/3rds full.
Not too bad, considering. Surely, you don’t advocate them closing back down over that, do you?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
What percentage of the death count are you claiming is inflated? What do you consider "inflated"? Florida has over 460,000 cases and over 6500 deaths from COVID. What percentage are you claiming are not COVID deaths? One mistake, which was corrected, doesn't change the deaths of over 6500 Floridians. Hanlon's Razor is more realistic than nutty conspiracy theories.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
People make mistakes which is why it's good for organizations to recheck their data input by people. Nevertheless, one miscategorized motorcycle death does not a conspiracy make.
https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/#latest-stats
Total Cases 461,379
9,943 New Cases in FL Residents
Deaths 6,586
253 New Deaths in FL Residents*
https://www.fox13news.com/news/flor...-253-new-deaths-set-another-single-day-record
Florida's COVID-19 cases top 460,000 in Thursday's report; 253 new deaths set another single-day record
The Florida Department of Health says the number of known cases of COVID-19 in the state rose by 9,956 since Wednesday morning as the virus spreads and as more people are tested across the state. The total number of cases in Florida is now 461,379.
The number of Florida resident deaths has reached 6,586, an increase of 253 since Wednesday's update, which the third day in a row that Florida sets a new record for COVID-19 deaths reported. In addition, a total of 123 non-Floridians have died in the state.
Locally, Pasco County is reporting 26 new deaths; Pinellas County is reporting 18 new deaths; Polk Count is reporting 11 new deaths; Hillsborough County is reporting 8 new deaths; Citrus, Hernando, Manatee and Sarasota counties are each reporting three new deaths; and Highlands County is reporting one new death.
Of the 461,379 cases, 456,105 are Florida residents while 5,274 are non-Florida residents currently in the state.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Who said anything about a conspiracy?
“DR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies *with* COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death”. [Birx, emphasis added]
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...e_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html#!
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I don’t know what *the over count* number is. I was hoping you’d have some idea.
Dutch Uncle
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You did when you claimed COVID deaths were being fabricated or intentionally mislabeled.
Thanks for the link from last April 8th. What was Trump saying about that time?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-repeats-coronavirus-will-go-away/
President Trump on Tuesday said the coronavirus is "going to go away," repeating a line he's said in the past that contradicts his own health experts. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the administration's leading infectious diseases expert, has said the deadly virus will not disappear, and the U.S. should be prepared for another wave in fall.
Mr. Trump, making the remarks in an East Room event with businesses that turned into a press conference, said a vaccine is looking promising, but he thinks the virus is going to go away, and if it does return in a "modified" form in fall the U.S. will handle it.
CBS News White House correspondent Ben Tracy asked, "Mr. President, you said at the top of your remarks that you feel the worst of the pandemic is behind us. But without a treatment, without a vaccine, and states now reopening, how can you be so sure?"
The president responded: "Well I think that like other things, we're going to hopefully we're going to come up with a vaccine, you never know about a vaccine, but tremendous progress has been made. Johnson & Johnson and Oxford and lots of good things, you've been hearing the same things as I do. Tremendous progress has been made, we think, on a vaccine. You always have to say think and then you have to test it, and that takes a period of time. But uh, a lot of movement and a lot of progress has been made on a vaccine. But I think what happens is it's going to go away. This is going to go away. And whether it comes back in a modified form in the fall, we'll be able to handle it, we'll be able to put out spurts, and we're very prepared to handle it. We've learned a lot, we've learned a lot about it, the invisible enemy."
It isn't exactly clear from the president's remarks when he thinks the virus will go away.
Mr. Trump said on February 27 he though the virus would "disappear" like a "miracle. There were only 60 confirmed cases in the U.S. at the time of that remarks. He also stood by the claim that the virus would go away on April 3, when there were 273,880 cases.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
That's not 2/3 of their normal capacity.
That is 2/3 of their EXPANDED capacity.
That's not 2/3 of their normal capacity.
That is 2/3 of their EXPANDED capacity.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
It is absurd to look at somebody who is high-risk with preexisting health conditions, who gets COVID-19 and then dies of complications, and claim the pandemic had nothing to do with their death. Sure, they may have been more susceptible, but if they didn't get COVID-19, they would still be alive. Of COURSE that death should be part of the statistics.
It's not like talking about it in a different way suddenly brings them back to life...
Dead is dead.
Look at a united country with good leadership (such as Taiwan, and their 7 deaths total, same population size as Florida with 6500 deaths,) and how they handle the pandemic; and compare that to our divided country with poor leadership and the differences are stark. We can not allow people the freedom to decide for themselves if they want to take this seriously and expect to have good results when clearly a unified approach is more effective.
Are you saying the difference between 7 and 6500 is because of the way the deaths are counted?
Arguing about how the pandemic deaths are counted? That's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
It is absurd to look at somebody who is high-risk with preexisting health conditions, who gets COVID-19 and then dies of complications, and claim the pandemic had nothing to do with their death. Sure, they may have been more susceptible, but if they didn't get COVID-19, they would still be alive. Of COURSE that death should be part of the statistics.
It's not like talking about it in a different way suddenly brings them back to life...
Dead is dead.
Look at a united country with good leadership (such as Taiwan, and their 7 deaths total, same population size as Florida with 6500 deaths,) and how they handle the pandemic; and compare that to our divided country with poor leadership and the differences are stark. We can not allow people the freedom to decide for themselves if they want to take this seriously and expect to have good results when clearly a unified approach is more effective.
Are you saying the difference between 7 and 6500 is because of the way the deaths are counted?
Arguing about how the pandemic deaths are counted? That's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
#deflection
I don’t care when it was said, Dr. Birx said ‘died with COVID’ deaths were being added to our counts when it wasn’t being done in other countries. If this was some sort of global competition they would rightfully accuse us of cheating.
It may be a conspiracy or it may not be. Let’s call it ‘fishy’ and stop at that. Though when it involves government bureaucracy you can never rule out incompetence.
Care to speculate why—without dragging Trump into it?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
LOL
Obviously you don't know that Trump is the President and Dr. Birx's boss.
You claimed the COVID deaths were deliberately faked. That, by definition, is a conspiracy to present false information to the American public. Since Birx works for Trump, I'm asking you who is heading up this conspiracy of yours?
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Again with Birx: she stated we are doing something with our death counts that no other country does. She explained it a long the lines as someone gets COVID but their weak kidneys give out while in the hospital. Other countries don’t count that as a COVID death.
This isn’t a trivial point when 40% of COVID deaths involve nursing home patients and/or frail elderly. How many end stage renal failure patients died ‘from COVID’ because they couldn’t get dialysis while they were in ICU *with COVID*? That’s just one example.
Late stage Alzheimer’s patients/residents are often critically ill [to be blunt—they’re getting ready to die] and some no doubt got COVID and died. From COVID? Well yeah, you can argue that but some would argue that it ‘kind of misses the point’.
With so many deaths happening in a population where the average life expectancy is 12 months-ish—there’s plenty of room for ‘interpretation’ when categorizing cause of death—for lack of a better way of putting it.
And Dr Birx said ‘we are taking a liberal approach to mortality’ that other countries aren’t.
The question is why?
Darth Omar
Russian asset
You have Trump on the brain lol.
My claim is they are being *mis-counted* and I quoted the person right behind the Great Doctor Fauci.
I’m waiting for someone to explain it. It’s raining and I have all day.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Are you saying I should ignore the President of the United States? Even in an election year? Fascinating. Tell me more.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
It’s a shame masks are effective against TDS.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Agreed. I can see why wearing a mask would prevent a Trump Dick Sucker from....well, you know.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Can anyone explain Dr Birx's statement and are they or are they not adding died with COVID to the totals?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Friday
7-31
USA
Total Cases 4,705,889
New Cases +70,904
Total Deaths 156,747
New Deaths +1,462
Total Recovered 2,327,572
Active Cases 2,221,570
Serious, Critical 18,687
Tot Cases/1M pop 14,210
Deaths/1M pop 473
Total Tests 58,591,052
Tests/1M pop 176,923
7-31
USA
Total Cases 4,705,889
New Cases +70,904
Total Deaths 156,747
New Deaths +1,462
Total Recovered 2,327,572
Active Cases 2,221,570
Serious, Critical 18,687
Tot Cases/1M pop 14,210
Deaths/1M pop 473
Total Tests 58,591,052
Tests/1M pop 176,923
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
Gladly. Read on:
That is all fine and well, but you have completely ignored my argument.
Taiwan and Florida have roughly the same population size, around 20 million people.
Taiwan has 7 deaths total, and Florida has 6500 deaths.
That difference cannot all be attributed to your point of different counting methods.
If you think that 40% of COVID-19 deaths are wrongly attributed to the disease then let us, for argument's sake, accept that. Let's reduce the 6500 Florida deaths by 40%.
100% - 40% = 60%.
60% of the Florida 6500 deaths is:
0.6 * 6500 = 3900.
Florida has 3900 'actual' COVID-19 deaths compared to Taiwan's 7 deaths.
The difference is because we have poor leadership and we are not unified in our response.
Trump lied and people died.
Gladly. Read on:
That is all fine and well, but you have completely ignored my argument.
Taiwan and Florida have roughly the same population size, around 20 million people.
Taiwan has 7 deaths total, and Florida has 6500 deaths.
That difference cannot all be attributed to your point of different counting methods.
If you think that 40% of COVID-19 deaths are wrongly attributed to the disease then let us, for argument's sake, accept that. Let's reduce the 6500 Florida deaths by 40%.
100% - 40% = 60%.
60% of the Florida 6500 deaths is:
0.6 * 6500 = 3900.
Florida has 3900 'actual' COVID-19 deaths compared to Taiwan's 7 deaths.
The difference is because we have poor leadership and we are not unified in our response.
Trump lied and people died.
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