Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?
- Thread starter Rob Larrikin
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First, quotes should not be wrapped around punctuation errors.
Even if actually did fit the definition of a lie, it is still not in the correct format as specified in the opening post. Start by learning the definition of lie, either by reading the several posts on this very thread that cover it, or go do some research. Once you have a solid grip on what a lie is, you can submit what lie you think Trump told. If the lie you submit does not conform to the real definition of a lie, it shows that you are too stupid to be posting on this thread. If it does in fact conform to the real definition, you still need to provide the link and format it as the opening post specifies.
Mason Michaels
Verified User
The proof falls on the liars accusing Trump of being a liar.
christiefan915
Catalyst
It's been proven over and over in this thread but thanks for your contribution.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
It was obvious to me – it might not have been to you.
“Made up” is your petulant description, based on your hurt feelings. Grownups call it “thinking”, so they would say, “You believe that stuff about being coerced…”
If you allege a lie it is up to you to prove it, and you haven’t done that. There are several possibilities:
1) The GOP forced Trump to make the statement, against his wishes.
2) Someone else forced him to make the statement against his wishes.
3) He told the truth.
4) He lied.
You picked number four. I picked number one. If you insist it’s four, prove it. Until you prove he lied he remains innocent of lying according to our basic rule of law.
What wording did I change? Use the quote function. It’s clear that the Party coerced Trump into saying what he said, for politically important and globally significant reasons, far overreaching any of your niggardly concerns. All political parties do this kind of thing from time to time. Trump doesn't run the GOP - it is a powerful machine that can control him when it wants to.
To lie there has to be intent to deceive. The only intent found here belongs to those forcing Trump to make his statement. “Force” removes intent, and when you are told you will lose your job, the most important job in the world, if you refuse to say a few trifling words, it is indeed coercion, or force. In those circumstances ANY POTUS would submit, and do as ordered. Trump may be headstrong and stubborn, but he isn’t a fool. The irony is that if he refused their command and was sacked, you would be criticizing him for not following GOP orders. You’d scoff, “What a loser! Can’t even take a simple order! [snicker, snort]”
It is up to you, the accuser, to do the proving. You obviously don’t understand logic or the rule of law, or even, for that matter, basic commonsense. Say I’m standing with you in a glass hothouse, inside which a simple apple tree grows. There are no apples on the ground and we stand with our backs to the tree. We hear the sound of an apple falling through the leaves to the ground, with a thump. As we turn we see the apple in question, still rolling to a stop. There is nobody there aside from us. Nobody could have shot the apple from the distance because the glass would break. I say, “Hmm. An apple fell from the tree.” Using your logic the conversation might go:
Flash: Er… you can’t say that.
Rob: Why not?
Flash: You made up the stuff about the apple dropping from the tree.
Rob: Made up? No, I deduced it. I drew a logical conclusion.
Flash: Nah. You just made it up. Did you see it drop?
Rob: No, but it’s clear that…
Flash: Ah hah! So you can’t really say it did, correct?
Rob: I’m using my brain to arrive at a determination.
Flash: Oh rea-hee-heee-eeally?
Rob: It’s called reasoning; thinking about something in a logical, sensible way.
Flash: Well how do you know it didn’t just appear out of thin air?
Rob: I cogitate and make judgments. My belief is that it didn’t.
Flash: That’s so yester-century. Don’t you know anything?
Rob: Yester-century, like when the Founders came up with your constitution?
Flash: Oh that – it’s just a bunch of made up stuff.
Rob: Made up? We call it thinking, innovating and writing.
Flash: Still made up though. Just a bunch of words.
Rob: DNA is just a bunch of nucleotides.
Flash: Anyway, you can’t say the apple fell from the tree.
Rob: If we didn’t make reasoned judgments we’d still be living in the trees.
Flash: So? Do you hate trees or something?
Rob: I’m sure the Fifth Column would love you.
Flash: Huh?
Where has it been proven?
Lol, you will never get an answer. Most of the lefty gish gallop is over now, and they have come to realize that they cannot post what the title of this thread describes. Now they will start derailing it and dodging. They will keep on posting stuff that isn't what the title describes until the thread is about something else. Getting a lefty to post what the title describes is like trying to force a cat into a toilet.
Loving91390
Verified User
Let's get real here ..... The truth is hundreds of thousands+ .... around the World cheered on 9/11 .
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
He meant it when he said it, and he has more than six years left to fulfil that promise. That qualifies it as a non-lie. You calling it a lie is a lie, by definition.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
You pointed us to this link, which was a biased liberal mashup. The video doesn’t work and the way they wrote the piece about the dialogue made Trump sound like a whiny bitch. They quoted the Anti-Defamation League, but nobody from the other side. I located the video using Bing. While it can’t be trusted, since sound tapes are easy to edit, it’s the closest thing we have. There may have been more that was edited out.
Okay, so on that basis, Trump was interviewed by George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” show, November 22, 2015. The YouTube below has the whole interview. The part in question begins at the 7:15 mark:
Stephanopoulos interviewed Trump by phone, and played a tape showing Trump talking about thousands of people cheering in New Jersey. We start the transcript there:
Stephanopoulos: Y’know the police say that didn’t happen… at all. Those rumors have been on the internet for some time, so did you misspeak yesterday?
Trump: It did happen. I saw it. It was on television, I saw it.
Stephanopoulos: You saw that with your own eyes?
Trump: George, it did happen. There were people that were cheering on the other side on New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations, they were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down – as those buildings came down, and that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George, now I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it; a heavy Arab population that were cheering as the buildings came down. NOT GOOD!
Stephanopoulos: As I said the police are saying it didn’t happen but I wanna move on right now, core survival are… [continues about other matters].
Trump: It did happen. I saw it. It was on television, I saw it.
Stephanopoulos: You saw that with your own eyes?
Trump: George, it did happen. There were people that were cheering on the other side on New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations, they were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down – as those buildings came down, and that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George, now I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it; a heavy Arab population that were cheering as the buildings came down. NOT GOOD!
Stephanopoulos: As I said the police are saying it didn’t happen but I wanna move on right now, core survival are… [continues about other matters].
Conclusion: Trump wasn’t lying. It’s common for Lefties to downplay any bad behavior from minorities, and this is what happened in this case. Trump saw vision on the day of 9/11, and it was subsequently covered over by Fake News. Then they began using his description of it to belittle him. Melbourne Australia suffers the same exact thing, with the coverage of Sudanese gangs by the liberal media. The Labor government tells their police to keep quiet about Sudanese gang violence, and the liberal media do their best to keep it toned down too. Labour did the same thing in England and Merkel is doing the same thing in Germany. At the time of this interview, in November 22, 2015, who was in office? Democrat liberal Barrack Obama was POTUS, and Democrat liberal Bill de Blasio was mayor of NY, NY. Of course the cops there would deny any such celebrations by Arabs.
Video (the part in question begins at the 7:15 mark):
Respect is something you need to earn, and you don’t earn it by bawling your eyes out when fate hands you a great President. You should be kissing the ground Trump walks on for all the riches he will bestow upon your sorry, ungrateful ass.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Your quotes above are full of mistakes and mischievous editing. That’s what you get for going to Fake News. I provided a correct transcript and explanation minus all the Leftist nonsense in post #272.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Point to any post that proved Trump lied. I've yet to see it.
Larrikin, these are the facts:
Trump said repeatedly that he saw on TV thousands of Arabs in New Jersey cheering the 9/11 attacks.
Nobody else reported seeing this mass celebration or anything like it.
There isn't a scrap of video evidence for it online, on Fox News, or anywhere else.
The only people who could have attempted to cover it up would have been the Bush administration, but why would they bother?
Conclusion: Trump was either deluded or lying.
It has become clear to me, and I think to others, that you are a brainwashed dupe who will quibble that black is a shade of white to serve your lying 'hero'. It's a waste of time trying to have a rational discussion with you. I'm not going to waste any more time.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
It’s clear he saw Arabs cheering the 9/11 attacks. He was asked repeatedly and made it very clear he saw them. He said that at the time it was covered so I think I understand what happened.
Sure they have – you just haven’t looked. Howard Stern had firemen and others calling up at the time complaining about the Arabs or Muslims celebrating.
Not of thousands, but other videos showing smaller crowds, and others around the world with more. There are also witnesses (like the Stern callers) and others you can see online.
Lefties and liberals around the world have been trying to increase their votes in all western capitalist democracies for some years now. It was triggered by the dying, retiring, or wheeling off to old people’s homes of a mountain of baby boomers every day. That’s a huge hole in votes for liberal governments. One solution was to let in hordes of illegal immigrants, letting illegals vote, legalizing votes for illegals and making Sanctuary cities, etc. When those illegals commit crimes the Lefties don’t want that published so they tell police to keep the issue quiet, and they tell their pals in Fake News to keep it covered over. This is common to all Leftist governments today from the U.S. to Australia, and their Fake News buddies. The first thing Democrats and Fake News would want covered is footage of thousands of Arabs celebrating 9/11.
The main cheering was probably only when the buildings fell. Each fall probably caused large crowds of Arabs to cheer, as a football crowd cheer when a touchdown is scored. It may have only lasted for 10 to 20 seconds, but anyone covering the scene would have heard it loud and clear. That footage would quickly be disposed of by the networks.
Stuff still survives however. There are reports of Muslims celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers during 9-11, but even these are denied by the Democrat Mayors.
This, from the New York Post.
This, from The Independent
Here is a video of Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911 (see more below this):
You can only put up one vid, so I’ve placed a single gap after the “https:” in the following YouTubes to disable them. Just copy and paste them into a separate browser and remove the gap.
American Muslims Celebrating 9/11 - Howard Stern Callers between 9/11/2001 and 9/13/2001:
https: //youtu.be/JCtiwBrWHUc
Another clearer version of four of the callers to Howard Stern with additional info (see description).
https: //youtu.be/1ErS12XaSDE
Muslims Celebrating 9/11 in Europe
https: //youtu.be/q-9JpRytCx0
“Another flick of Muslims celebrating 9/11. And no, it isn't faked. It is well documented the celebrations that occured in Egypt, Detroit, Montreal, Lebanon and Palestine to name a few of Muslim reaction to 9/11.”
Witness: American Muslims Celebrating 9/11
https: //youtu.be/t62Bgtjrs6I
And yet you claimed Trump didn't create jobs...
Larrikin, please note that I never said: "No Muslims anywhere celebrated on 9/11". Of course some did, but that is not the subject of this thread.
My question is: where are the thousands of Arabs cheering in New Jersey that TRUMP SAID HE SAW ON TV?
The answer is, in his befuddled head and nowhere else.
But don't bother torturing the facts into a response. I quit.
My question is: where are the thousands of Arabs cheering in New Jersey that TRUMP SAID HE SAW ON TV?
The answer is, in his befuddled head and nowhere else.
But don't bother torturing the facts into a response. I quit.