Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

[Flash]

You left out a bunch of stuff. After Trump guessed that it was the biggest electoral college win since Ronald Reagan, an NBC reporter, Peter Alexander, pointed out the error. Trump defended himself, as Alexander continued. There were four or five levels of this defense:

1) First Trump pointed out that “Obama was “not a Republican,” which meant he was only claiming he had the biggest Electoral College victory since Reagan among Republican presidents. Then Alexander pointed out that George H.W. Bush got 426 when he won.

2) Trump then said he was given that information. Alexander continued harassing him.

3) Trump then said, “Actually, I’ve seen that information around.”

4) Various people then realized as theblaze.com pointed out, that:

“It’s possible Trump was referring to his own biography on the White House’s official website, which correctly states that Trump “won the election on November 8 of 2016 in the largest electoral college landslide for a Republican in 28 years.” That is, in fact, entirely true since former President George W. Bush barely defeated former Democratic Vice President Al Gore 271-266.”​

​

As I said – it was no lie.

Now Lefties, go find a real lie instead of hanging around the bottom of the barrel with these flea-bitten examples you keep giving me.

Your own explanation proves it was a lie. He did not get the most electoral votes of any Republican since Regan. The fact that he was "given that information" or that he had "seen it around" is not justification for lying. The information from his biography is correct, but he did not give that information.

So, two lies proven. There were not millions of illegal votes and he did not win the most electoral votes of any Republican since Reagan.

 

[Flash]

Crime in Germany is up, probably more than 10%, as you would except it would be, with all those third world immigrants being imported. It would be a miracle if it wasn’t. Trump explained that the German Left winged government under communist Merkel is not interested in publishing the real figures and is covering them up. You don’t think the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces would know if Merkel was covering up such things? Until you have the United States intelligence machine don’t dare say your commander-in-chief is lying about such matters.

So once again – not a lie.

Again, you have no information to refute that Germany's crime rate is down including knowing if Merkel was covering it up. The U. S. intelligence machine does not state German crime is down--but strange you think our intelligence agencies are reliable since Trump does not. Your defense is all conjecture.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

"Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people." [from your quote]

He said millions vote illegally but has no evidence to support it and no state can verify it. A state's voting records are protected by the privacy act. By claiming they will "fake" records is a cop-out. It is clear Trump lied about millions of illegal votes.

There was a reason Fake News left out the last two sentences. They didn’t want you to know that Trump’s whole argument is that the State do this deliberately and won’t let you see their records, and they don’t want [you] to see them. If California was not doing what Trump says, it would be a perfect opportunity to release those records so we can all see. So why don’t they? It would be a great way for them to embarrass Trump, which they would love to do. So why not? Because the records would show they let many illegals vote – probably millions.

Regardless – this is Trump’s opinion. See the OP: Opinions aren't lies. In my opinion he's right, and that's no lie either.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Your own explanation proves it was a lie. He did not get the most electoral votes of any Republican since Regan. The fact that he was "given that information" or that he had "seen it around" is not justification for lying.

A lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Without the intent it is not a lie. Trump believed what he said for reasons provided, thus it was not a lie. Certainly you cannot say it is a lie because you cannot read Trump's brain. Since the onus is on you to prove the lie, and since you cannot read his mind, you cannot conclude it was a lie.

 

[Flash]

When he played golf as POTUS you and the rest of the Trump haters were quick to accuse him of lying. There is no doubt his doctors and advisors would have worked hard to persuade him to continue playing golf for his health and figure. Trump would not be easy to convince. They may have even gathered in a group to persuade him.

So, he changed his mind meaning he lied when he said he would not play golf. I'm sure he was encouraged to exercise, golf is obviously not the best exercise for him since it obviously has not kept his weight down so far.

So, again, he lied. Changing his mind and being encouraged to exercise does not negate his false statement. You come up with imaginary conjecture and conversations to prove your point--he was told to continue playing golf, he was coerced to change his word to "not," Merkel is hiding the increase in Germany crime---all made up by you.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Again, you have no information to refute that Germany's crime rate is down including knowing if Merkel was covering it up. The U. S. intelligence machine does not state German crime is down--but strange you think our intelligence agencies are reliable since Trump does not. Your defense is all conjecture.

On the contrary, it is YOU that has no information to refute Trump's claim that Germany's crime rate is up. It makes perfect sense and is exactly what one would expect, and is typical of socialists in terms of the covering up of figures, and since Trump is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces with access to the United States intelligence machine, he has far more knowledge at his disposal than some anonymous username online. How dare you say your commander-in-chief is lying about such matters. Shame on you.

So once again – not a lie.

 

[Flash]

A lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Without the intent it is not a lie. Trump believed what he said for reasons provided, thus it was not a lie. Certainly you cannot say it is a lie because you cannot read Trump's brain. Since the onus is on you to prove the lie, and since you cannot read his mind, you cannot conclude it was a lie.

A lie is a false statement whether intended or made without any effort to base it on the truth. If somebody tells me Trump is a Russian agent and I repeat it, that is a lie. I did not intend it to be a lie since somebody told me it was true, but I repeated an obvious lie.

Saying Obama was born in Kenya or Hillary runs a child sex ring in a pizza shop are lies. If I repeat them I am lying although I thought they were true--I should have known better.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

So, he changed his mind meaning he lied when he said he would not play golf.

A lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Without the intent it is not a lie. Trump said he would not play golf as POTUS and meant that when he said it. Later things changed. He changed his mind, for good reason. Since he meant what he said at the time he said it, it is not a lie. Certainly you cannot say it is a lie because you cannot read Trump's brain. Since the onus is on you to prove the lie, and since you cannot read his mind, you cannot conclude it was a lie. All you can conclude with certainty is that he changed his mind, and probably at the advice of his doctors and advisors.

So once again, no lie.

 

[Flash]

There was a reason Fake News left out the last two sentences. They didn’t want you to know that Trump’s whole argument is that the State do this deliberately and won’t let you see their records, and they don’t want [you] to see them.....Because the records would show they let many illegals vote – probably millions.

Another lie. I see why you think Trump does not lie---because you believe them. You have no evidence millions (or thousands) of illegals voted. He also said none of those illegal votes went to him. How does he know?

 

[Flash]

Where is the lie? If I say, "One day I will own Mars," it isn't a lie. It's a statement nobody can prove or disprove. He didn't put a time limit on when the wall would be built, and he didn't say when Mexico would pay. Meanwhile, religious Lefties are very patient with other promises. They've been waiting two millennium for Christ’s second coming. They wouldn’t wait a few years for Trump’s wall or for the Mexican money that will pay for it.

It is a lie. You will never own Mars and Mexico will not pay for the wall. We just have to wait to prove the lie. Trump has even dropped that claim.

 

[Phantasmal]

A lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Without the intent it is not a lie. Trump said he would not play golf as POTUS and meant that when he said it. Later things changed. He changed his mind, for good reason. Since he meant what he said at the time he said it, it is not a lie. Certainly you cannot say it is a lie because you cannot read Trump's brain. Since the onus is on you to prove the lie, and since you cannot read his mind, you cannot conclude it was a lie. All you can conclude with certainty is that he changed his mind, and probably at the advice of his doctors and advisors.

So once again, no lie.

Your definition is too narrow and simplistic.

There is no universally accepted definition of lying to others. The dictionary definition of lying is “to make a false statement with the intention to deceive” (OED1989) but there are numerous problems with this definition. It is both too narrow, since it requires falsity, and too broad, since it allows for lying about something other than what is being stated, and lying to someone who is believed to be listening in but who is not being addressed.
The most widely accepted definition of lying is the following: “A lie is a statement made by one who does not believe it with the intention that someone else shall be led to believe it” (Isenberg 1973, 248) (cf. “[lying is] making a statement believed to be false, with the intention of getting another to accept it as true” (Primoratz 1984, 54n2)). This definition does not specify the addressee, however. It may be restated as follows:

• (L1)To lie =df to make a believed-false statement to another person with the intention that the other person believe that statement to be true.

L1 is the traditional definition of lying. According to L1, there are at least four necessary conditions for lying. First, lying requires that a person make a statement (statement condition). Second, lying requires that the person believe the statement to be false; that is, lying requires that the statement be untruthful (untruthfulness condition). Third, lying requires that the untruthful statement be made to another person (addressee condition). Fourth, lying requires that the person intend that that other person believe the untruthful statement to be true (intention to deceive the addressee condition).

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lying-definition/

 

[Rob Larrikin]

A lie is a false statement whether intended or made without any effort to base it on the truth. If somebody tells me Trump is a Russian agent and I repeat it, that is a lie. I did not intend it to be a lie since somebody told me it was true, but I repeated an obvious lie.

What you have uttered above is YOUR definition of the word “lie”, not the dictionary definition. Our society and our courts do not use YOUR definition of that word. They use the word that is clearly defined ALREADY, without your help. I gave that to you three times, but it wasn’t enough, so I will now provide you with three definitions from three different sources [emphasis mine]:

Lie

An intentionally false statement.

English Oxford Dictionary


Lie

n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.

v.intr.

1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language


Lie

1. countable noun

A lie is something that someone says or writes which they know is untrue.

3. verb

If someone is lying, they are saying something which they know is not true.

Collins Dictionary

Saying Obama was born in Kenya or Hillary runs a child sex ring in a pizza shop are lies.

Trump said neither, but if he said something he believed to be true he would not be lying, by definition, as you can see above.

So, again, he told no lie.

Your result so far for this thread: Zero.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Another lie. I see why you think Trump does not lie---because you believe them. You have no evidence millions (or thousands) of illegals voted. He also said none of those illegal votes went to him. How does he know?

You have no evidence they did not vote. One way to determine the truth is to examine the records, and low and behold, Democrats adamantly refuse to release them. So in Trump's opinion millions are voting illegally. In your opinion they are not. Neither Trump nor you is lying about this. It is opinion, and an opinion is not a lie. See the OP.

 

[Old Trapper]

So if you have a lie, type it out and provide a link. Just one. If you can't do that, what does it say about your so called Trump Lies?

It says that you are a Trump ass kisser, and not interested in the truth, just supporting your demented liar. Each of the lies in the link I posted has been verified, however, that is not what you want to hear, so, being the washed up fool you are you will just find a way to ignore them. Kind of like the pseudo-christians did when voting for the lying, adulterous, thieving, coward.

 

[Old Trapper]

You have no evidence they did not vote. One way to determine the truth is to examine the records, and low and behold, Democrats adamantly refuse to release them. So in Trump's opinion millions are voting illegally. In your opinion they are not. Neither Trump nor you is lying about this. It is opinion, and an opinion is not a lie. See the OP.

And every Secretary of State said he lied just as he did when he said he saw buses taking illegal voters to the polls. What happened to that committee he formed that he said was going to provide the evidence? They found none, and were disbanded.

Get over it. You're going to wear your knee pads out.

 

[Flash]

On the contrary, it is YOU that has no information to refute Trump's claim that Germany's crime rate is up. It makes perfect sense and is exactly what one would expect, and is typical of socialists in terms of the covering up of figures, and since Trump is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces with access to the United States intelligence machine, he has far more knowledge at his disposal than some anonymous username online. How dare you say your commander-in-chief is lying about such matters. Shame on you.

So once again – not a lie.

Yes I do. All the official stats show the crime rate down. I have given several links below. Because Trump lied about it does not mean the stats are phony. You have no evidence they are false nor do you have any evidence American intelligence said they were false and Trump presented no evidence they are false. You are somewhat naive to believe everything the government (president) tells you is true. I seriously doubt Trump checked with American intelligence before making that claim since he often just talks off the top of his head.

https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/DE/2018/05/pks-und-pmk-2017.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-crime-rate-lowest-since-1992/

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-rate-drops-but-fear-rises/a-43692277

 

[Flash]

Yes I do. All the official stats show the crime rate down. I have given several links below. Because Trump lied about it does not mean the stats are phony. You have no evidence they are false nor do you have any evidence American intelligence said they were false and Trump presented no evidence they are false. You are somewhat naive to believe everything the government (president) tells you is true. I seriously doubt Trump checked with American intelligence before making that claim since he often just talks off the top of his head.

https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/pressemitteilungen/DE/2018/05/pks-und-pmk-2017.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-crime-rate-lowest-since-1992/

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-rate-drops-but-fear-rises/a-43692277

Your only defense for Trump's lies is that everybody else is lying---terrible method for proving the truth.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Your definition is too narrow and simplistic.

There is no universally accepted definition of lying to others. The dictionary definition of lying is “to make a false statement with the intention to deceive” (OED1989) but there are numerous problems with this definition. It is both too narrow, since it requires falsity, and too broad, since it allows for lying about something other than what is being stated, and lying to someone who is believed to be listening in but who is not being addressed.
The most widely accepted definition of lying is the following: “A lie is a statement made by one who does not believe it with the intention that someone else shall be led to believe it” (Isenberg 1973, 248) (cf. “[lying is] making a statement believed to be false, with the intention of getting another to accept it as true” (Primoratz 1984, 54n2)). This definition does not specify the addressee, however. It may be restated as follows:

• (L1)To lie =df to make a believed-false statement to another person with the intention that the other person believe that statement to be true.

L1 is the traditional definition of lying. According to L1, there are at least four necessary conditions for lying. First, lying requires that a person make a statement (statement condition). Second, lying requires that the person believe the statement to be false; that is, lying requires that the statement be untruthful (untruthfulness condition). Third, lying requires that the untruthful statement be made to another person (addressee condition). Fourth, lying requires that the person intend that that other person believe the untruthful statement to be true (intention to deceive the addressee condition).

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lying-definition/

I am and was already aware the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy’s definition – indeed I visited that same page during a search only yesterday. The problem with philosophy, especially from a Leftist University, is that we can argue about truth and objectivity about anything and everything until the cows come home, and the debate will never end. That is why we do not use their model in courts or in newspapers, or for the man in the street. When a person is accused of lying and the matter goes to court, they do not hire philosophers to debate the meaning of the word ‘lie’. They try to prove there was deliberate intent to deceive, and they are happy with that. So the general definition of ‘lie’ is all that is required here. Certainly in the realm of Fake News, with all its numerous mistakes, misquotes and mischievous editing. However, if someone wants to embark on a complex philosophical journey to debate the inner workings of a lie, they may do so. Let them put their argument forward, and may the best man win, as Plato’s neighbor’s cleaning lady used to say.

 

[midcan5]

The obvious lies that were conscious lies where the lies concerning the porn star and playboy model. And then there is 'would' and 'wouldn't' which is another obvious lie as he knows what he said in Helsinki and it is on record. But Trump snowflakes are weak people and Trump is their strength so they bend reality to defend their boy. Going to the dictionary to show Trump isn't lying is a real suspension of disbelief maneuver. There is no need to show them the lies as snowflakes wanna believe.

"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." Philip K. Dick

 

[Aarr!]

Why did Trump say that he SAW "thousands and thousands of people in Jersey City" cheering on 9/11? Was he lying or deluded?