Armed Citizen Stops Shooter at Indiana Mall: GOOD GUY WITH A GUN

No, they're not....because you get things like the Mai Lai Massacre, and the crap that went down in Iraq.

You can't legislate fully against crazy, but better screening can try to make it as difficult as possible NOT to let these nut jobs into the military.

Well remember "The Dirty Dozen"? ;)
 
Notice that most of the wackadoodles want to go out by suicide or suicide-by-cop. The only way to deter a nutjob is to make it harder to attack.

One of Murphy's Laws of Combat is "the harder you make it for them to get in, the harder it is for you to get out". Living with a bunker mentality is not living IMHO. Better to just improve mental healthcare and routine testing. Ramos needed help a long time before he became a mass murderer/suicide. Why didn't he get it?

Same for all the other nutjobs who committed mass murder.

The man has a point. I'll add this: the weapons of choice for the majority of the mass shootings in the past 25 years were the ones on the 1994 AWB list. Bring back that law, and you take away at least one effective tool for these nutjobs. Logical, practical, factual. Couldn't hurt.
 
Anti-freedom caused by fear.

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the memes are childish and erroneously simplistic promoting paranoia. The 1994 AWB left a plethora of revolvers, shotguns, hunting rifles, and semi-automatics to the general public....yet soon after it's sunset, weapons on that list became the choice for the majority of mass shooters. A matter of fact, a matter of history.
 
Banning all guns is an absurd proposal because we are NOT a homogenous society on any level. Generational hatred and mistrust permeate every faucet of American society, and it dictates our rules and regulations.

Gun regulation is the best we can do. Effective, realistic gun regulation on a national level (i.e. federal law) is the best we can do for now.

Resistance to such just gives us the status quo we are now experiencing.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
No, they're not....because you get things like the Mai Lai Massacre, and the crap that went down in Iraq.

You can't legislate fully against crazy, but better screening can try to make it as difficult as possible NOT to let these nut jobs into the military.


Well remember "The Dirty Dozen"? ;)

I know....we have a penchant in this country for taking movie fiction as reality.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Post #154

Try thinking, Earl....it helps.

Take a hike, pendejo,

The Second Amendment!

and your point? Because unless you want to discuss that nagging first few words about a "militia" you gun flunkies try to BS around, the 2nd Amendment DOES NOT CHANGE ONE IOTA OF THE FACTS I PRESENTED.

THAT is what you gun flunkies want the rest of us to live with so your wet dreams of being the guy in the OP can one day come true for your flabby asses. Post #154 stands valid....you stand in your own BS. you should have taken my advice.
 
the memes are childish and erroneously simplistic promoting paranoia. The 1994 AWB left a plethora of revolvers, shotguns, hunting rifles, and semi-automatics to the general public....yet soon after it's sunset, weapons on that list became the choice for the majority of mass shooters. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

You attack me as childish then prove my point by dictating to all Americans your ideology by force of the Almighty Fed. LOL
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
the memes are childish and erroneously simplistic promoting paranoia. The 1994 AWB left a plethora of revolvers, shotguns, hunting rifles, and semi-automatics to the general public....yet soon after it's sunset, weapons on that list became the choice for the majority of mass shooters. A matter of fact, a matter of history.


You attack me as childish then prove my point by dictating to all Americans your ideology by force of the Almighty Fed. LOL

No, I pointed out that the memes are childish. Your follow-up BS is just a smoke screen that avoids the TRUTH of what I stated. "I want it because I want it" is fucking childish...and that's what all this gunner BS is about when it comes down to it regarding the reality of the 1994 AWB and what has transpired since. I gave two examples to the OP....this is what gun flunkies want us to live with even more with the latest SCOTUS ruling on CCW. A matter of fact, a matter of history.
 
No, I pointed out that the memes are childish. Your follow-up BS is just a smoke screen that avoids the TRUTH of what I stated. "I want it because I want it" is fucking childish...and that's what all this gunner BS is about when it comes down to it regarding the reality of the 1994 AWB and what has transpired since. I gave two examples to the OP....this is what gun flunkies want us to live with even more with the latest SCOTUS ruling on CCW. A matter of fact, a matter of history.
You're an autocrat who seeks to dictate to others how to live, how to think and what they can do. I disagree with your kind because it's authoritarian and cowardly.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
No, I pointed out that the memes are childish. Your follow-up BS is just a smoke screen that avoids the TRUTH of what I stated. "I want it because I want it" is fucking childish...and that's what all this gunner BS is about when it comes down to it regarding the reality of the 1994 AWB and what has transpired since. I gave two examples to the OP....this is what gun flunkies want us to live with even more with the latest SCOTUS ruling on CCW. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

You're an autocrat who seeks to dictate to others how to live, how to think and what they can do. I disagree with your kind because it's authoritarian and cowardly.

Sorry Dutch, but making false allegations and blowing smoke won't hide the fact of your inability to fault the FACTS I stated and the conclusions those facts lead to. The 1994 AWB did NOT leave citizens defenseless, and crime didn't sky rocket out of control. Nor did waves of people die in home invasions because of a 7 day waiting period.

Allowing a law abiding citizen who owns weapons for home protection is one thing, but to automatically grant unconditional CCW to the same people essentially throws a little gasoline onto a smoldering situation. I gave just two examples that counter the OP ... imagine road rage incidents with a gun thrown in the mix for a city or state that traditionally did not have blanket CCW? Or your local bar brawl? I'm not willing to live with an increase in shootings to appease your ideological bent ... but it seems the SCOTUS agrees with you that the potential fatalities and woundings are acceptable collateral damage. God indeed bless America, because we're going to need all the help we can get.
 
Sorry Dutch, but making false allegations and blowing smoke won't hide the fact of your inability to fault the FACTS I stated and the conclusions those facts lead to. The 1994 AWB did NOT leave citizens defenseless, and crime didn't sky rocket out of control. Nor did waves of people die in home invasions because of a 7 day waiting period.

Allowing a law abiding citizen who owns weapons for home protection is one thing, but to automatically grant unconditional CCW to the same people essentially throws a little gasoline onto a smoldering situation. I gave just two examples that counter the OP ... imagine road rage incidents with a gun thrown in the mix for a city or state that traditionally did not have blanket CCW? Or your local bar brawl? I'm not willing to live with an increase in shootings to appease your ideological bent ... but it seems the SCOTUS agrees with you that the potential fatalities and woundings are acceptable collateral damage. God indeed bless America, because we're going to need all the help we can get.

And im not willing to be chased and beat to death with a traffic cone by a roaming pack of animals using my bare hands and begging as my only defense..Just because u are scared someone might shoot at you for pulling out in front of them in your Prius
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Sorry Dutch, but making false allegations and blowing smoke won't hide the fact of your inability to fault the FACTS I stated and the conclusions those facts lead to. The 1994 AWB did NOT leave citizens defenseless, and crime didn't sky rocket out of control. Nor did waves of people die in home invasions because of a 7 day waiting period.

Allowing a law abiding citizen who owns weapons for home protection is one thing, but to automatically grant unconditional CCW to the same people essentially throws a little gasoline onto a smoldering situation. I gave just two examples that counter the OP ... imagine road rage incidents with a gun thrown in the mix for a city or state that traditionally did not have blanket CCW? Or your local bar brawl? I'm not willing to live with an increase in shootings to appease your ideological bent ... but it seems the SCOTUS agrees with you that the potential fatalities and woundings are acceptable collateral damage. God indeed bless America, because we're going to need all the help we can get.


And im not willing to be chased and beat to death with a traffic cone by a roaming pack of animals using my bare hands and begging as my only defense..Just because u are scared someone might shoot at you for pulling out in front of them in your Prius

My, my, my .... such a defined paranoia from our resident sheet wearer.

I assume you're extrapolating from some recent event documented in the news? Or are you just generalizing your suppositions and conjectures as usual?

In any event, what are the statistical chances of your fretted scenario actually happening to YOU where you live? Personally, I never read or heard of such a crime being periodic, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Proof, please. If you can't pony up, then you're EXACTLY what I was talking to Dutch about.

In the meantime, my pointed hooded friend, explain to the reading audience how your little scenario changes what I said to Dutch, much less what I put forth in Posts #154 & #156 here.

Try not to babble or blow smoke....makes you look less foolish. Carry on.
 
My, my, my .... such a defined paranoia from our resident sheet wearer.

I assume you're extrapolating from some recent event documented in the news? Or are you just generalizing your suppositions and conjectures as usual?

In any event, what are the statistical chances of your fretted scenario actually happening to YOU where you live? Personally, I never read or heard of such a crime being periodic, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Proof, please. If you can't pony up, then you're EXACTLY what I was talking to Dutch about.

In the meantime, my pointed hooded friend, explain to the reading audience how your little scenario changes what I said to Dutch, much less what I put forth in Posts #154 & #156 here.

Try not to babble or blow smoke....makes you look less foolish. Carry on.

And u have paranoia of road rage guy shooting at you..commie bastard

what are the statistical chances of your fretted scenario actually happening to YOU?


Man beat to death with traffic cone


Philadelphia teens beat 73-year-old man to death with traffic cone, in attack caught on video: police


https://www.foxnews.com/us/philadel...death-traffic-cone-attack-caught-video-police
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
My, my, my .... such a defined paranoia from our resident sheet wearer.

I assume you're extrapolating from some recent event documented in the news? Or are you just generalizing your suppositions and conjectures as usual?

In any event, what are the statistical chances of your fretted scenario actually happening to YOU where you live? Personally, I never read or heard of such a crime being periodic, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Proof, please. If you can't pony up, then you're EXACTLY what I was talking to Dutch about.

In the meantime, my pointed hooded friend, explain to the reading audience how your little scenario changes what I said to Dutch, much less what I put forth in Posts #154 & #156 here.

Try not to babble or blow smoke....makes you look less foolish. Carry on.



And u have paranoia of road rage guy shooting at you..commie bastard

what are the statistical chances of your fretted scenario actually happening to YOU?


Man beat to death with traffic cone


Philadelphia teens beat 73-year-old man to death with traffic cone, in attack caught on video: police


https://www.foxnews.com/us/philadel...death-traffic-cone-attack-caught-video-police

Ahhh, did I say it was I being shot at in a road rage incident, my little sheet wearing simpleton?

Nope, I merely pointed to the current incidences of road rage that are in the papers periodically and how much worse they would be with a gun thrown in the mix.

You should really learn to read more carefully and stop inserting your personal babbling.

So you produced the crime you are in fear of. And if that man had a weapon to defend himself, he'd be alive.

Thing is the chances of that repeating are exponentially against happening to you or anyone else.

A blanket granting of allowing anyone with a gun license to automatically have CCW rights increases the ratio of what I showed in Post#154.

Sadly we can't stop all crime but we can take steps to lessen it.

Better policing, more patrol cars.

Better education, jobs, access to mental health and general medical care.

We can do this instead of funneling billions into a bloated military, or funding Israel, or bailing out banks or corporate welfare. Hell, in NYC you bring back the transaction tax and put the money from the state lottery to it's original purpose and that's half the battle right there!

I just can't accept a 2 for 1 offer that you're so adamant about.

Oh, and FYI: communist and fascist confiscate all weapons. Since I NEVER advocated such, and to date no gun control proposal has advocated such....you're just parroting yet another gun flunky lie.

Carry on, my little sheet wearer.
 
Good Guy with a gun, stops bad guy with a gun...AGAIN.

3 dead, 2 injured after shooting at Indiana mall, authorities say; armed civilian killed suspected shooter

INDIANAPOLIS — Three people are dead and two others are injured Sunday after a man with a rifle opened fire inside a Indiana shopping mall and an armed civilian shot him, authorities said. The man entered the Greenwood Park Mall with a rifle and several magazines of ammunition and began firing in the food court, said Greenwood Police Department Chief Jim Ison at a news conference. Ison added that an armed civilian killed the suspected gunman.

"It appears that he had a rifle with several magazines of ammunition, entered the food court and began shooting," Ison said. Police believe an armed bystander "observed the shooting in progress and shot the shooter."


The shooting happened in the Greenwood Park Mall's food court around the mall's 6 p.m. closing time; the first emergency calls were received at 6:05 p.m. The mall, located about 10 miles south of Indianapolis, has more than 130 indoor and outdoor restaurants and shops.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...sedgntp&cvid=9c93c2e4ea8c403bbdb8aedc57888073


All these good guys with a gun...... and 19 kids are dead and 2 teachers.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-school-shooting-victims/

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Good Guy with a gun, stops bad guy with a gun...AGAIN.

3 dead, 2 injured after shooting at Indiana mall, authorities say; armed civilian killed suspected shooter

INDIANAPOLIS — Three people are dead and two others are injured Sunday after a man with a rifle opened fire inside a Indiana shopping mall and an armed civilian shot him, authorities said. The man entered the Greenwood Park Mall with a rifle and several magazines of ammunition and began firing in the food court, said Greenwood Police Department Chief Jim Ison at a news conference. Ison added that an armed civilian killed the suspected gunman.

"It appears that he had a rifle with several magazines of ammunition, entered the food court and began shooting," Ison said. Police believe an armed bystander "observed the shooting in progress and shot the shooter."


The shooting happened in the Greenwood Park Mall's food court around the mall's 6 p.m. closing time; the first emergency calls were received at 6:05 p.m. The mall, located about 10 miles south of Indianapolis, has more than 130 indoor and outdoor restaurants and shops.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...sedgntp&cvid=9c93c2e4ea8c403bbdb8aedc57888073


All these good guys with a gun...... and 19 kids are dead and 2 teachers.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-school-shooting-victims/

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The Second Amendment doesn’t mention statistics.

If trained and armed people were present at every school, the kill rate would go way down.
 
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