Cain this all be true?

Superfreak said:
Pretending Cain didn't clarify his comments regarding Muslims doesn't mean he didn't do just that. He stated that it was those that wanted Sharia Law that he would not appoint. Either pay attention or by all means, start a few more threads on this nonsense. It reeks of desperation. Much like the continued efforts of the left to pretend a word on a rock (that was painted over) on land that Perry's family leases somehow makes Perry a racist.
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Do you believe Cain will get the Republican nomination?
 
Damocles said:
Right, participating in the conversation is avoiding it, war is peace, love is hate...

Do you think repeating the same question in different threads at different times makes you appear deep or do you believe you have a need to play to "the audience" and pretend that previous conversations containing the same question answered zillions of times never happened?
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Maybe he just wants an answer to his question and figures you didn't see it.
 
Damocles said:
Cool. I'll play the part of Jarod...

Well, let me just say, Article six, man. <Insert Bush quote here>, and then I'll ask a simple question repeating something about Article six...

After that I'll go to another thread, maybe even start one, with that simple question. I'll repeat it because I think it is "awesome", and I'll ignore any previous answer I have ever heard over the decade or more we have known each other. I'll then pretend that I've never said that somebody shouldn't be elected because they might "push" Christianity on me and repeat something about Article six...

After somebody clarifies, I'll say that they are only "backtracking" and pretend that only the one statement can ever be considered, especially if it is something about their religion...

Now that I have a plan, can you see any holes in it?
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Damo, do you belive it is consistant with the principals of Religous freedom that America was founded on to say that you will not appoint members of a specific religen to cabnent level position or judicial seats?
 
Jarod said:
1) You are not participating in "the conversation", you are creating an offshoot that allows you to avoid the topic at hand and discuss something else, next you will start talking about how I spelled Muslim or Christianity. That is avoiding the subject.

2) I do not belive that repeating the same question makes me appear deep or that I am playing to an audience, I do belive it points out the extend many will go to avoid admiting they were wrong or that there canidate has gone too far.
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1. I do not bug you about spelling. Although sometimes I do point out when homonyms make something funny.
2. I believe that you do it because you picture yourself talking to a jury all the time, and because juries are always made of different people you believe that walking the same ground isn't repeating for them... Just pointing out, we've had this conversation before... Usually you are on a different side though because somebody is too publicly Christian for you.
 
Rana said:
Maybe he just wants an answer to his question and figures you didn't see it.
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They refuse to discuss it, to me that is very telling. Its as close to an admission that Cain is unacceptable as one can get from these types.
 
Damocles said:
1. I do not bug you about spelling. Although sometimes I do point out when homonyms make something funny.
2. I believe that you do it because you picture yourself talking to a jury all the time, and because juries are always made of different people you believe that walking the same ground isn't repeating for them... Just pointing out, we've had this conversation before... Usually you are on a different side though because somebody is too publicly Christian for you.
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You wont, and cant show me a place where I ever once said Christians are not acceptable for positions in government. I happen to consider myself a Christian.
 
Jarod said:
Damo, do you belive it is consistant with the principals of Religous freedom that America was founded on to say that you will not appoint members of a specific religen to cabnent level position or judicial seats?
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I believe that the person in question has clarified the remarks and hasn't done what you claim. He said something, was asked later to clarify, he clarified and you pretend that no statement after the one you "didn't like" can ever be taken into consideration.
 
Superfreak said:
So we aren't actually discussing it RIGHT NOW??? You truly are a fucking retard.
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No we are not, we are discussing my methods of debate.

Tell me, what are your thoughts on saying that members of a specific religen are unacceptable for positions in Government.
 
Jarod said:
Damo, do you belive it is consistant with the principals of Religous freedom that America was founded on to say that you will not appoint members of a specific religen to cabnent level position or judicial seats?
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Why do you insist on pretending that Cain hasn't clarified his comments? Why do you insist upon this line of stupidity Jarod?

HE SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT IT WAS MUSLIMS THAT BELIEVE SHARIA LAW SHOULD RULE ARE THE ONES HE WOULD NOT APPOINT. HE WENT ON TO SAY OTHER MUSLIMS WOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO GO OUT OF HIS WAY TO BE 'POLITICALLY CORRECT' IN HIRING.
 
Jarod said:
No we are not, we are discussing my methods of debate.

Tell me, what are your thoughts on saying that members of a specific religen are unacceptable for positions in Government.
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No moron.... I have answered the above several times already. You keep pretending not to see it and then accusing myself and others of not answering you.
 
Jarod said:
You wont, and cant show me a place where I ever once said Christians are not acceptable for positions in government. I happen to consider myself a Christian.
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I can show, however, where you say somebody shouldn't hold an office because they have (I'll put it nicely) religious policy creep. Often we agree that religion shouldn't be part of policy. You shouldn't pretend that you don't think that religious creep can sometimes be dangerous and that their Christianity would stop you from appointing such a person...
 
Damocles said:
I believe that the person in question has clarified the remarks and hasn't done what you claim. He said something, was asked later to clarify, he clarified and you pretend that no statement after the one you "didn't like" can ever be taken into consideration.
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He said he stands by his comments.

I would guess that you Damo, would have a reasonable position on this issue, if you could be cohersed to share that opinion. I suspect you and I agree that the comments as origionally stated, and later stood by, are unacceptable.

I would really like to get Dixie to discuss this issue with me, he will not. He was defending Cain's origional statement prior to the slight wiggle room he was cohersed into allowing in his argument by the Fox comentator.
 
Superfreak said:
Nope... that plan is as solid as Jarod's spelling.
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I wish all you super grammar nerds would get off the spelling. It is a rather juvenile way to feel superior to another. I see many, including myself make spelling errs, but you are a big, smart guy and can figure out what Jarod means. There are many intelligent people I know who can't spell or write a grammatically correct paper. This is a message board, not his college thesis.

You get frustrated and that is when you all pile on him about his spelling. It is so stupid. There are several posters on this forum who write perfectly, but don't have much else going for them. Jarod at least gives you a good debate.
 
Damocles said:
I can show, however, where you say somebody shouldn't hold an office because they have (I'll put it nicely) religious policy creep. Often we agree that religion shouldn't be part of policy. You shouldn't pretend that you don't think that religious creep can sometimes be dangerous and that their Christianity would stop you from appointing such a person...
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If that were so, and I would like to see the quote, the problem I would have with the Christian is not his Christianity but his creep. Cain did not say that, he said he would not appoint a Muslim.
 
poet said:
Your reality isn't my reality. Thank God.
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No, my reality is based in science and fact, and your reality is based in emotion and feelings. Ironically, your argument is predicated on the same sentiments as those who were opposed to abolition and civil rights. Because you "feel" something doesn't meet YOUR criteria, it isn't a real human being. In the early 1800s, many people argued that black people were inferior to other human life, and didn't deserve Constitutional rights or protections, and the SAME argument is being made today regarding the human fetus. Regardless of science and all the evidence to the contrary, you continue to insist the human fetus is not human life, just as anti-abolitionists believed blacks were not people.
 
Damocles said:
1. I do not bug you about spelling. Although sometimes I do point out when homonyms make something funny.
2. I believe that you do it because you picture yourself talking to a jury all the time, and because juries are always made of different people you believe that walking the same ground isn't repeating for them... Just pointing out, we've had this conversation before... Usually you are on a different side though because somebody is too publicly Christian for you.
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True, you do not use my spelling to avoid topics, Ill give you that. I respect that. Thank you!
 
Rana said:
I wish all you super grammar nerds would get off the spelling. It is a rather juvenile way to feel superior to another. I see many, including myself make spelling errs, but you are a big, smart guy and can figure out what Jarod means. There are many intelligent people I know who can't spell or write a grammatically correct paper. This is a message board, not his college thesis.

You get frustrated and that is when you all pile on him about his spelling. It is so stupid. There are several posters on this forum who write perfectly, but don't have much else going for them. Jarod at least gives you a good debate.
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Thank you, but these people are sure that spelling ability is a signifigant sign of intelegence.
 
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