Cain this all be true?

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Debate moderator: "Mr. Cain, is it true that you would support outlawing abortion for a woman who was raped?"

Buh bye, independents...

Okay,,,,, again..... Presidents can't "outlaw" abortion! If they could, it would have already been done! So it doesn't matter what Cain or any other potential candidate would support, they can't do it! All you can take away from that is, he would appoint judges that are pro-life... Independents are inherently pro-choice or opposed to people who are pro-life. I realize you see everything through liberal colored glasses, but reality is very different.

 

[NOVA]

I understand why you're defensive. Because you were trying to insinuate that it was the left or the media or whoever who is deciding who gets more scrutiny for religion, and then you realized oops, it's the Republicans who are targeting Mitt's Mormonism.

You wanted so badly for it to be the left. Sorry, bravs.

Nice spin for a pinhead, onecell......but I repeat.....
my conversation with Christie and Jughead has nothing to do with Cain or any Republican except Romney.....
They were responding to my very specific posts, which didn't include Cain.....

Nice try though....I'm sorry you can't follow along like others, the thread really wasn't that confusing even Jarod didn't go off on your loony tangent......

 

[Onceler]

Nice spin for a pinhead, onecell......but I repeat.....
my conversation with Christie and Jughead has nothing to do with Cain or any Republican except Romney.....
They were responding to my very specific posts, which didn't include Cain.....

Nice try though....I'm sorry you can't follow along like others, the thread really wasn't that confusing even Jarod didn't go off on your loony tangent......

Not a loony tangent. You're a predictable idiot, and I'm just pointing that out.

The Republicans are calling out Romney for his religion. That's a pretty inconvenient truth for you.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Not a loony tangent. You're a predictable idiot, and I'm just pointing that out.

The Republicans are calling out Romney for his religion. That's a pretty inconvenient truth for you.

LOL.. you don't need to be pointing out the predictability of idiocy on anyone, even though you are an expert.

I have heard absolutely ZERO Republicans criticize Romney for his religion. Cain mentioned he may have trouble winning the nomination because people in the South are not real keen on Mormonism, which is the truth. That's not criticizing Romney for his religion, that is pointing out a valid consideration in selecting a nominee.

My problem with Romney is not his religion, I have a problem with his idea that government (state or federal) should be involved in individual health care provision. I also have a problem with his pro-choice stance, and position on stem cell research. He is too emblematic of the John McCain/George Bush, "go along to get along" republicanism, and I just don't think that's what we need at this time. If he wins the nomination, I will hold my nose and support him, and I am not going to spend a single second thinking about his religious beliefs.

 

[NOVA]

Not a loony tangent. You're a predictable idiot, and I'm just pointing that out.

The Republicans are calling out Romney for his religion. That's a pretty inconvenient truth for you.

Irrelevant to this thread.....if you'd like start a new thread all about Cain, Romney, and whoever else you want, have at it.....

None of it has anything to do with my post or Jarods or Christies replys.....

Start you own thread instead of trying to hijack this one....

 

[Onceler]

Irrelevant to this thread.....if you'd like start a new thread all about Cain, Romney, and whoever else you want, have at it.....

None of it has anything to do with my post or Jarods or Christies replys.....

Start you own thread instead of trying to hijack this one....

Prove me wrong, then. What did you mean by "what does this illustrate?" What do you think it illustrates?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Prove me wrong, then. What did you mean by "what does this illustrate?" What do you think it illustrates?

:lol:

 

[NOVA]

Prove me wrong, then. What did you mean by "what does this illustrate?" What do you think it illustrates?

That was hashed out in post 34 and 37....as far as Christie................and I never did figure out wtf Jarod was babbling about with the Art. 6 of the Constitution...

and you're too much of an idiot and asshole to converse with in the first place..

You'll mis-state, mis-characterize, or just lie about something you THINK I said and it ain't worth the trouble....

 

[Onceler]

That was hashed out in post 34 and 37....as far as Christie................and I never did figure out wtf Jarod was babbling about with the Art. 6 of the Constitution...

and you're too much of an idiot and asshole to converse with in the first place..

You'll mis-state, mis-characterize, or just lie about something you THINK I said and it ain't worth the trouble....

You thought there was a double-standard, because Reid got away scot free, and you also thought christie was giving his/her opinion on what SHOULD be, when he/she was basically just stating the facts...

 

[DamnYankee]

I dont care if he places an emphisis on social issues, I simply care where he stands on those issues. I care that the person I vote for is in support of FREEDOM. I have studied enough about him since my last post in this thread and have determined he is anti-freedom and does not understand the basics about how and why America was formed as it relates to religous freedom. I could not support the man.

Keeping the federal government out of issues that it is not constitutionally mandated and letting the States do their own thing is the very essence of freedom.

 

[DamnYankee]

Debate moderator: "Mr. Cain, is it true that you would support outlawing abortion for a woman who was raped?"

Buh bye, independents...

“If I were president, I would sign legislation that would protect the sanctity of life... Additionally, I would be in favor of any legislation that would encourage adoptions as a loving and safe alternative to abortion.”
Race42012 Interview with Herman Cain, 23 February 2011

Hello, voters with conscience.

 

[Lowaicue]

Keeping the federal government out of issues that it is not constitutionally mandated and letting the States do their own thing is the very essence of freedom.

You live in a country that does body searches on people at immigration. You live in a country that kills its criminals. You live in a country that kills more of its own innocents than any other modern nation. You live in a country which imposes patriotism. You live in a country in which walking through the streets after dark is dangerous. You live in a country that is unable to accept other religions or other sports preferring to invent your own. You live in a country where power is vested in the dirty hands of the fat cat capitalists who will never, despite what you are told to believe, never allow you even the crumbs from their overladen tables. You live in a country that is still, in 2011, one of the most colour conscious and racist in the modern world.

.....and you talk about ....



the essence of freedom?

Freedom?
You have no frikkin idea! You really are a joke a minute.

 

[Onceler]

“If I were president, I would sign legislation that would protect the sanctity of life... Additionally, I would be in favor of any legislation that would encourage adoptions as a loving and safe alternative to abortion.”
Race42012 Interview with Herman Cain, 23 February 2011

Hello, voters with conscience.

People who would force a woman who was raped to carry a fetus to term have no conscience. They have no humanity.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

No, To me its not a problem if ones religen says abortion is murder, much like JFK's religion says such. Its what the person belvies that matters and what the person will try to enact using the government. Please see Article 6.

I have seen Article 6. Cain is not saying he wouldn't nominate any Muslim. He is saying he would not nominate any Muslim that believes Sharia law should be the law of the land. Just as Obama is not likely to nominate someone who thinks all abortions should be outlawed.

 

[Damocles]

“If I were president, I would sign legislation that would protect the sanctity of life... Additionally, I would be in favor of any legislation that would encourage adoptions as a loving and safe alternative to abortion.”
Race42012 Interview with Herman Cain, 23 February 2011

Hello, voters with conscience.

OH noooeeesss!! He likes adoption, and wants people to live! Dooooooooommmmmm... Doom on him, that jerk, wants to protect life and stuff...

And yes, hello voters with a conscience.

 

[poet]

OH noooeeesss!! He likes adoption, and wants people to live! Dooooooooommmmmm... Doom on him, that jerk, wants to protect life and stuff...

And yes, hello voters with a conscience.

Uh, really. Everybody knows that pro-lifers are just "fronting". They want to be seen as "valuing life", when after the fetus is born, they could give a rat's booty what happens to it.
Pro-lifers tend to be conservative and Republican, who are infamously against funding for child care, pre-natal care, healthcare for children, and aid to mothers.
I chalk it up to posturing and posing as "Christians", as if it will assure them a pass through the pearly gates for their stance, when the rest of their lives are in the crapper.
How disingenuous to portray liberals as "baby-killers", when abortion, across the board, is viewed as the avenue of "last resort". No one is an advocate for abortion, but for a mother's right to choose what is best for her. Keep your nose and your machinations out of other women's private parts. See to your own.

 

[poet]

I have seen Article 6. Cain is not saying he wouldn't nominate any Muslim. He is saying he would not nominate any Muslim that believes Sharia law should be the law of the land. Just as Obama is not likely to nominate someone who thinks all abortions should be outlawed.

All abortions shouldn't be outlawed. There is rape and the health of the mother and the fetus in the stakes.

 

[Damocles]

Uh, really. Everybody knows that pro-lifers are just "fronting". They want to be seen as "valuing life", when after the fetus is born, they could give a rat's booty what happens to it.
Pro-lifers tend to be conservative and Republican, who are infamously against funding for child care, pre-natal care, healthcare for children, and aid to mothers.
I chalk it up to posturing and posing as "Christians", as if it will assure them a pass through the pearly gates for their stance, when the rest of their lives are in the crapper.
How disingenuous to portray liberals as "baby-killers", when abortion, across the board, is viewed as the avenue of "last resort". No one is an advocate for abortion, but for a mother's right to choose what is best for her. Keep your nose and your machinations out of other women's private parts. See to your own.

Interesting, the only person who said "baby-killer" here was you. Let's see how much of this is correct...

Uh, really. Everybody knows that pro-lifers are just "fronting". They want to be seen as "valuing life", when after the fetus is born, they could give a rat's booty what happens to it.
Pro-lifers tend to be conservative and Republican, who are infamously against funding for child care, pre-natal care, healthcare for children, and aid to mothers.

Never heard anybody rejecting prenatal care, and Cain clearly cares what happens to them considering he promotes a solution for "after"...

I chalk it up to posturing and posing as "Christians", as if it will assure them a pass through the pearly gates for their stance, when the rest of their lives are in the crapper.

I'll play the dismissive ad hom game:

I chalk most of this up to lack of vision, an ability to ignore something if it is behind a wall or other surface where it cannot be seen or, more correctly, an inability to picture something if it is otherwise behind a wall or other surface where it cannot be seen.

Then I'll step away from it and ask you something...

If you believe that somebody is purposefully killing defenseless children, would there be any excuse (other than to save your own life) that is good enough to allow it to continue?

 

[poet]

Interesting, the only person who said "baby-killer" here was you. Let's see how much of this is correct...


Never heard anybody rejecting prenatal care, and Cain clearly cares what happens to them considering he promotes a solution for "after"...



I'll play the dismissive ad hom game:

I chalk most of this up to lack of vision, an ability to ignore something if it is behind a wall or other surface where it cannot be seen or, more correctly, an inability to picture something if it is otherwise behind a wall or other surface where it cannot be seen.

Then I'll step away from it and ask you something...

If you believe that somebody is purposefully killing defenseless children, would there be any excuse (other than to save your own life) that is good enough to allow it to continue?

I don't believe abortion to be "baby-killing". Fetuses (or feti) are not "babies", IMHO. I think abortions should be done, if at all, in the first trimester. I think that they should be done to preserve the life of the mother. I think if the fetus is not viable or severely impaired it should be done. I believe it should be the course of "last resort", not first resort.
Birth control and condoms are readily available. Pregnancy can be prevented.

 

[christiefan915]

So one's religious beliefs only become an issue if he/she runs for President....it that you believe ?

Congressman or Supreme Court Judge or VP, etc...they're not important enough, huh ?

So WHAT religions have beliefs that disqualifies the person from running for president...(.IN YOUR MIND....)

Is it only Catholics and Mormons, or do you have others...>??

YOU can give us your view too Rana...as long as you agree

Geez, can you be any dimmer?

I don't think religious beliefs should be an issue for any politician. (Except maybe I'd put a caveat on scientology.)

If Mormonism was held against Reid as he climbed the political ladder in Nevada, I never heard of it because I didn't know of him during those years. If Harry suddenly decided to run for president, I think his religion would become an issue, just like it is for Romney and the others, but it would only matter to me if he tied his religious beliefs to public policy.

Again, it's the general public who make a candidate's religious beliefs an issue but I'm not one of those people.

And what about you? If a natural-born American Muslim was running, would that be a problem for you?