MAGA VS NEOCON!

[Jarod]

Does that include enforcing the internationally approved sanctions on export of oil?

Every excuse they can come up with. But it’s not about the drugs or the embargo.

The drugs and the embargo are a week attempt at doing what George W. Bush tried to do with WMD.

They don’t even try to hide the fact that the “WMD” don’t exist in this situation.

 

[QP!]

No. There aren't many, if any, other crimes outside of mass drug manufacture and distribution, that kill 200 to 300 people a day in the US. Guns don't do that. Cars don't do that.

...

So what?

Where does your arbitrary limit of 'how many deaths are required before gov't can start summary killings, without proof or trials, and KNOWING their judgement is prone to lots of error' come from?

If suddenly there was another thing (x) that caused even more deaths than drugs could i say, with the same authority you do 'that drugs are no longer an acceptable reason because it does not kill as much as 'x'?

And if you say i could not dictate that as the new limit explain why you can say gun deaths get a pass just because drug deaths are higher?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So what?

Where does your arbitrary limit of 'how many deaths are required before gov't can start summary killings, without proof or trials, and KNOWING their judgement is prone to lots of error' come from?

If suddenly there was another thing (x) that caused even more deaths than drugs could i say, with the same authority you do 'that drugs are no longer an acceptable reason because it does not kill as much as 'x'?

And if you say i could not dictate that as the new limit explain why you can say gun deaths get a pass just because drug deaths are higher?

MAGAt Karen retards are glued to the Dementia Don's ass. Where he goes, they follow like sheep.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Every excuse they can come up with. But it’s not about the drugs or the embargo.

The drugs and the embargo are a week attempt at doing what George W. Bush tried to do with WMD.

They don’t even try to hide the fact that the “WMD” don’t exist in this situation.

A drug that kills over 100,000 Americans a year isn't a WMD?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So what?

Where does your arbitrary limit of 'how many deaths are required before gov't can start summary killings, without proof or trials, and KNOWING their judgement is prone to lots of error' come from?

If suddenly there was another thing (x) that caused even more deaths than drugs could i say, with the same authority you do 'that drugs are no longer an acceptable reason because it does not kill as much as 'x'?

And if you say i could not dictate that as the new limit explain why you can say gun deaths get a pass just because drug deaths are higher?

We put up with automobile deaths because we get a far, far, greater benefit from having them in our society than banning them and going without.

Firearms only exist as they do because of the 2nd Amendment and the utter and complete difficulty that makes in slapping heavy restrictions or bans on them. At the same time, firearms do have useful and productive purposes such as for hunting, self-protection, or law enforcement.

Drugs, like fentanyl, on the other hand have no useful purpose. Banning such a substance is a net boon to society. We accept the use of alcohol only because of its long history within society. Fentanyl has no such history. Like opiates, heron, and other hard drugs, history shows there is a benefit to society in eliminating rather than tolerating them.

 

[Jarod]

A drug that kills over 100,000 Americans a year isn't a WMD?

TACO said its about the oil.

They gave up the game, but you still believe it.

 

[Jarod]

A drug that kills over 100,000 Americans a year isn't a WMD?

So if drugs kill people, dont guns kill people?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So if drugs kill people, dont guns kill people?

LOL An excellent question! The answer is the same: people are the problem, not inanimate objects.

 

[Jake Starkey]

A drug that kills over 100,000 Americans a year isn't a WMD?

define how it is.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Would you prefer that we just let all those drugs in and accept that upwards of 100,000 Americans a year will die from them?

That is about as inappropriate an alternative to murdering people as can be offered. What has happened to you MAGA morons to make you so callous and so resentful of following the legal procedures in place for decades? What in the fuck has happened to you people?

 

[Ross Dolan]

define how it is.

It isn't! But TA, for some reason unfathomable to me, has become such an apologist for anything the Moron-in-Chief does, that he MUST suggest such tripe.

 

[IBDaMann]

So if drugs kill people, dont guns kill people?

Guns aren't addictive poisons.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Exactly


Drugs are smuggled because Americans like to get high!

An appropriate addition to that sentence would be..."and are willing to pay big bucks for them.

But this has nothing to do with drugs!

If not "nothing"...VERY, VERY LITTLE.

 

[QP!]

We put up with automobile deaths because we get a far, far, greater benefit from having them in our society than banning them and going without.

Firearms only exist as they do because of the 2nd Amendment and the utter and complete difficulty that makes in slapping heavy restrictions or bans on them. At the same time, firearms do have useful and productive purposes such as for hunting, self-protection, or law enforcement.

Drugs, like fentanyl, on the other hand have no useful purpose. Banning such a substance is a net boon to society. We accept the use of alcohol only because of its long history within society. Fentanyl has no such history. Like opiates, heron, and other hard drugs, history shows there is a benefit to society in eliminating rather than tolerating them.

You did not answer my question which is why YOU, TERRY, get to decide by yourself on your own, what America can punish and kill people summarily for and what they cannot.

You have declared the death threashold for drugs is sufficient and yet also declared the death thresholf for guns is not. You have not given any basis for it that is not just your indvidual opinion on what is sufficient.

It is something you do CONSTANTLY on this forum where you seem to think your opinion (a single opinion) is a basis for a position for a position or argument and IT IS NOT.

I want a basis in logic or principles, which you never have or offer.

For instance, if we created a magic medicine that could deal with all drugs issues and eliminate most drug deaths and then gun deaths were #1, would you suddenly be OK then with killing the people summarily of the #1 cause of American deaths by illegal means?

Is your logic (if you have one) that 'only the cause of these deaths can be addressed with summary executions'?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It isn't! But TA, for some reason unfathomable to me, has become such an apologist for anything the Moron-in-Chief does, that he MUST suggest such tripe.

It's the MAGAt way. It's the best way on how to tell a MAGAt; If Trump says turn left, they turn left. If he says turn right or go straight, they do as they are told. They are very predictable that way. All of the MAGAts on JPP are elderly and demented or just plain stupid and weak.

 

[QP!]

So if drugs kill people, dont guns kill people?

That is the question i am trying to get Terry to answer too.

He has waved his hand that 'however many american lives the illegal gun trade create is acceptable and ok' but given not logic behind that threshold. Whereas the american lives taken by the illegal drug trade justifies summary killings because....? Again no logic given. It is if he (and he alone) thinks what ever number he believes is the magic number is the reason all of the US must operate on.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So if drugs kill people, dont guns kill people?

Both can kill people when abused or misused. "Recreational" drugs, like Fentanyl, have no purpose in society that makes things better or creates an ROI, guns do. What you do is present an existential fallacy in sophomoric form.

That is the question i am trying to get Terry to answer too.

He has waved his hand that 'however many american lives the illegal gun trade create is acceptable and ok' but given not logic behind that threshold. Whereas the american lives taken by the illegal drug trade justifies summary killings because....? Again no logic given. It is if he (and he alone) thinks what ever number he believes is the magic number is the reason all of the US must operate on.

The ILLEGAL gun trade is ILLEGAL! Guns can be legally possessed. Certain types of guns are illegal or highly regulated. The same is true of drugs. Drugs, like fentanyl and PCP are illegal for good reasons. Sawed off shotguns are illegal as are guns with a bayonet attached to them. You too offer just a sophomoric version of what amounts to a non sequitur.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That is the question i am trying to get Terry to answer too.

He has waved his hand that 'however many american lives the illegal gun trade create is acceptable and ok' but given not logic behind that threshold. Whereas the american lives taken by the illegal drug trade justifies summary killings because....? Again no logic given. It is if he (and he alone) thinks what ever number he believes is the magic number is the reason all of the US must operate on.

That's another way to differentiate a MAGAt from a Libertarian: Libertarians believe in dropping victimless crime laws such as prostitution and drugs along with preserving the right of self-defense. MAGAts often seek to limit the Bill of Rights except for the Second Amendment and get rid of every after the Tenth Amendment as Trump did in his $60 Bible.

Anyone who sides more with the MAGAts on these issues than the Libertarians yet claims to be Libertarian <in Jeff Foxworthy voice> just might be a MAGAt cracker retard.

Platform page - Libertarian Party

Platform page - Libertarian Party

lp.org

1.7 Crime and Justice​

Government force must be limited to the protection of the rights of individuals to life, liberty, and property, and governments must never be permitted to violate these rights. Laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes, and consensual transactions involving sexual services. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law. We oppose the prosecutorial practice of “over-charging” in criminal prosecutions so as to avoid jury trials by intimidating defendants into accepting plea bargains. Additionally, we support the abolition of qualified immunity so that law enforcement and prosecutors would be held legally accountable for misconduct that leads to wrongful convictions or other acts of injustice.

1.9 Self-Defense​

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms, ammunition, or firearm accessories.

2.10 Sex Work​

The Libertarian Party supports the decriminalization of prostitution. We assert the right of consenting adults to provide sexual services to clients for compensation, and the right of clients to purchase sexual services from consenting sex workers.

 

[Jarod]

That is the question i am trying to get Terry to answer too.

He has waved his hand that 'however many american lives the illegal gun trade create is acceptable and ok' but given not logic behind that threshold. Whereas the american lives taken by the illegal drug trade justifies summary killings because....? Again no logic given. It is if he (and he alone) thinks what ever number he believes is the magic number is the reason all of the US must operate on.

They can only deflect.

 

[Jarod]

Guns aren't addictive poisons.

So the drug addict has no responsibility in this?