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Guno צְבִי said:

Kremlin Leaks Footage Showing Trump Fawning Over Putin​


The state-run Russian international news network Russia Today (RT) has released behind-the-scenes video from Alaska that appears to show President Donald Trump fawning over Vladimir Putin.

The video shared by the Kremlin shows Trump and Putin standing together backstage near where they delivered public remarks following their three-hour meeting.

Despite walking away without a deal and without sharing any details on progress toward ending the war in Ukraine, the president could be seen laughing as he spoke to Putin.

The only person standing with the two leaders as they spoke was Putin’s translator.

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Kremlin Leaks Footage Showing Trump Fawning Over Putin

The state-run Russian international news network Russia Today (RT) has released behind-the-scenes video from Alaska that appears to show President Donald Trump fawning over Vladimir Putin. The video shared by the Kremlin shows Trump and Putin standing together backstage near where they delivered...
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I looked at the footage. It just shows Trump being respectful to Putin and his translator and vice versa.
 
Earl said:
That’s great. Switch hitting is great…and rare at that age.

In our league, 7 and 8’s play with 9 and 10’s.

It’s a great experience.

The former County Tax Commissioner and I coached fall ball for years for my two boys and his.

I can’t wait…only 1 game per week on Saturdays.
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Yeah he started out batting left handed (he is right handed) so I switched him over to right handed but he seems to do equally well either way. I'm encouraging both skills. He might need both them some day.
 
Earl said:
Great success story.

I struggled with Calculus, diffi-diffi equations (differential equations) and Orgo (Organic Chemistry).

The really brilliant students were usual quiet and unassuming.

My friend rarely studied, partied frequently and had a 3.9 through double “E.”

I envied their ability to absorb the truly complex subjects so easily.
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I would go to our study group of 8-10 people in meds school and lay on the floor a listen. and did very well. A couple of them would git pissed at them when I did better. Biology has always come easy for me.
 
Scott said:
Now you're just repeating yourself. So to recap for the audience, Lurch said he believes that Russia's military operation in Ukraine only happened after years of provocations by the west as "Russian propaganda". I said that no, it's the truth, and I linked to an article from India's Business Today that points out how John Mearsheimer was able to predict Ukraine getting wrecked if it continued along the path it was on 10 years ago. All Lurch did to "counter" my evidence was just repeat his "Russia Propaganda" mantra.
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You link to an opinion piece you agree with. I'm telling you it's bullshit. And yes, I will repeat myself: To suggest Ukraine bears any responsibility for being invaded by Putin is insane.
 
Scott said:
It's nice to know that those on the left and those on the right here can agree with each other from time to time. It's unfortunate that in this case, the evidence points in the opposite direction. As I told Lurch, it's easy to dismiss evidence that goes against your beliefs by repeating a mantra that supports yours. But isn't the point of discussions between people who disagree with each other to actually look at the evidence presented by those we disagree with?
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To suggest Ukraine bears any responsibility for being invaded by Putin is insane. You want me to respect that opinion - my response - NO!
 
Scott said:
Quote him actually saying that then.

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AI Overview

In his speeches and writings, particularly leading up to and during the invasion of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin has repeatedly expressed the view that Ukraine is not a truly independent nation and has no genuine history of statehood. He has argued that Ukraine was "wholly and fully created by Bolshevik, communist Russia". Putin's statements often focus on the idea of a historical and cultural unity between Russians and Ukrainians, suggesting that Ukraine's existence as a separate state is an artificial construct.

Here's a breakdown of Putin's statements:
  • "Artificial Creation":
    Putin has asserted that modern Ukraine was "created" by Bolshevik Russia.

  • Historical Revisionism:
    He has selectively focused on certain historical narratives while ignoring others, such as the existence of independent Ukrainian state formations in the early 20th century.

  • "One People":
    Putin frequently emphasizes the shared history, culture, and language of Russians and Ukrainians, suggesting a deep-seated unity that should supersede the idea of separate nationhood.

  • Justification for Intervention:
    These historical and nationalistic arguments have been used to justify Russia's military actions in Ukraine, including the annexation of Crimea and the ongoing war in Donbas.

These statements have been widely criticized as historical revisionism and as a justification for Russia's aggression against Ukraine.
 
Scott said:
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Again, quote him actually saying that and you'd have a case.

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AI over view

"I wished the USSR had not collapsed" (2018)
In a 2018 public forum, Putin stated that if he could change one historical event, he would reverse the collapse of the Soviet Union—indicating a personal and public longing for continuity of the old system.

"The greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century" (2005)
In a parliamentary address in April 2005, Putin described the dissolution of the USSR as a “major geopolitical disaster of the century”, lamenting the loss of global Russian influence.

"I wished the USSR had not collapsed" (2018)
In a 2018 public forum, Putin stated that if he could change one historical event, he would reverse the collapse of the Soviet Union—indicating a personal and public longing for continuity of the old system.

More nuanced reflections (2003)
Early remarks included framing USSR’s end as a “national tragedy on a massive scale” and arguing that the collapse brought little benefit to ordinary citizens across post-Soviet states, but rather only hardship.
 
Scott said:
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I've seen absolutely no evidence for your assertion, but by all means, try and find some to present if you can. What I -do- have is evidence to the contrary- that is, before the West's meddling in Ukraine, Russia had absolutely no interest in seizing any part of the country. This was pointed out by American Professor and Statesman Jeffrey Sachs in a speech he gave to European Parliament a few months ago. Quoting:
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As you know, Viktor Yanukovych was elected as president of Ukraine in 2010 on the platform of Ukraine’s neutrality. Russia had no territorial interests or designs in Ukraine at all. I know. I was there off-and-on during these years. What Russia was negotiating during 2010 was a 25-year lease to 2042 for Sevastopol naval base. That’s it. There were no Russian demands for Crimea, or for the Donbas. Nothing like that at all. The idea that Putin is reconstructing the Russian empire is childish propaganda. Excuse me.

If anyone knows the day-to-day and year-to-year history, this is childish stuff. Yet childish stuff seems to work better than adult stuff. So, there were no territorial demands at all before the 2014 coup [in Ukraine]. Yet the United States decided that Yanukovych must be overthrown because he favored neutrality and opposed NATO enlargement. It’s called a regime change operation.
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Source:
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Geopolitics of Peace

The author explains manipulative U.S. post-war foreign policy to European MPs, explodes myths about Ukraine and urges an independent European foreign policy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcMoDFU1xg&ab_channel=MichaelvonderSchulenburg This is an edited transcript of Professor Jeffrey Sachs’
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You are quoting Russian propaganda which i have little time for.

Viktor Yanukovych was a Putin puppet who was putting i place Putin Oligarchs that were robbing Ukraine of its wealth and trapping it in a cycle of Russia like kleptocracy.

So saying 'as long as Putin was in control with his puppets he showed no signs of wanting to invade' is a specious point at best.

As i pointed out in another post and will repeat below it was BECAUSE Putin's puppet was removed and Ukraine moved to independence and reforms that Putin was triggered to attack.
 
The clear data shows that with Putin's Oligarchs and control pushed out and the reforms and recovery (a long road) being under way, that the path Ukraine was on was going to be a problem for Putin and Russia.

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In February 2014, Ukraine's parliament removed President Viktor Yanukovych from office following the Revolution of Dignity (also known as the Euromaidan protests). This event is often referred to as the ousting of Yanukovych, who was seen as aligned with Russia and Vladimir Putin. The revolution was sparked by Yanukovych's decision to reject closer ties with the European Union in favor of Russia.


The chart below tracks the Ukraine GDP post Putin's being kicked out.

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TOP said:
It really is far too many...I'm used to working in environments that are mostly Democrat...but I've never seen wretched excess rage and pessimism like this...if things weren't getting better, I'd be worried...
But, Let them post here, and hold those silly rallies... and sing on the streets...the only people they're hurting are themselves...
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And those useless people protesting and singing on the streets, like they're doing in D.C. are all getting paid...probably by George Soros.
 
FastLane said:
The Peace process is still on going. If Trump hadn't twisted Putin arm he would have never come to the table. Zelensky and European leaders come to the White House tomorrow to forge a pathway to peace. The guy you voted for Mr. Potatoes head did nothing to try to stop the fighting.
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I hope it works and it’s not appeasement
 
Jarod said:
I hope it works and it’s not appeasement
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It has to be appeasement. Trump is so enamored of Putin that he'd roll over for him in a heartbeat. His 180 on the ceasefire is basically just him saying he's 100% in Putin's camp on this.

Trump sees only one solution to Ukraine: to give Putin everything he wants. It's so weird to see a President of the US being such a sick little fan-boy for one of the most repulsive humans to stride across the stage today.

But here we are. I feel sorry for the Europeans and the Ukrainians.
 
gmark77 said:
It has to be appeasement. Trump is so enamored of Putin that he'd roll over for him in a heartbeat. His 180 on the ceasefire is basically just him saying he's 100% in Putin's camp on this.

Trump sees only one solution to Ukraine: to give Putin everything he wants. It's so weird to see a President of the US being such a sick little fan-boy for one of the most repulsive humans to stride across the stage today.

But here we are. I feel sorry for the Europeans and the Ukrainians.
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Putin would have never come to the US if he wasn't afraid of what Trump will do. Putin probably took note of what happen to Iran when it ignored Trump's warning. Putin sells 40% of its oil to India. With a 505 tariff on India for buying Putin's oil it isn't likely he will be selling them oil. Putin's economy is in the dumpster now. With no oil income he will have a hard time paying his army.
 
Libhater said:
And those useless people protesting and singing on the streets, like they're doing in D.C. are all getting paid...probably by George Soros.
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There certainly are a
Earl said:
The Braves finally started playing baseball in Cleveland, a possible sweep today.

Acuna is back and Sale will be soon but it’s too late.

No playoffs this year.
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Well, darn...congrats, though...;)
 
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