First day of hearings is over.....

martin said:
There are two elements to the crime: 1) whether Trump is personally responsible, 2) whether the attack was seditious or just dumb violence. The hearing showed additions to the second element; not much new to the first but keep in mind the hearing wasn't on prime time for the benefit of people who belong to political debate sites. Who knows what Garland plans to do? There are plenty of savvy observers who believe Justice has, and has had, all it needs to indict Trump.
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Not much new on the first? It showed how he methodically fired or forced out of office anyone in his administration that would not go along with his insanity and he threatened governors to accept his fake electors once Pence said the originals were bogus. The fucker was guilty of enough prior to Jan 6th to put him behind bars for seditious conspiracy. Just what else does one have to do to prove they were trying to subvert the the results of a rightful election and seize power illegally?

Of course the justice department has, and has had, all it needs to indict Trump. The thing is an indictment is not a conviction and the asshole has gotten off repeatedly with the Russia investigation, over blackmailing the Ukraine and causing a massive assault on our nations capitol to name a few. It's hard to convict someone when there is bound to be someone on the jury that wishes he succeeded.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed, but will they? They didn't do it for Nixon. Will they do it this time?

Regardless, all the underlings involved, especially the active components like the WSEs, are all going to burn for this. Most of those idiots are in their 40s to 50s and won't see the light of freedom for another 20 years.

I suspect more than a few will off themselves.
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Nixon was in office and stepped down admitting guilt, that was apparently enough. The tapes proved his guilt but that doesn't work any more. Trump can be quoted verbatim and even on video tape and he can say "I never said any such thing" and his Nazi followers still believe him. It's a different world when a significant portion of the population knows you are guilty but worship you anyway, just like Hitler.

And what are WSE's?
 
Jarod said:
If you had watched the hearing, they were backed by sworn testimony and video evidence.

You refusing to see evidence does not mean it was not presented.
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And what does the orange asshole do the next day? He says "the hearing is a complete scam and how come they didn't call any of those credible witnesses that did say there was voter fraud?" Well Trump, that's because there aren't any. How about some fucking names of these credible witnesses rather than your worthless attempt at denying the facts? The only ones that claimed there was voter have refused to testify and they damn sure aren't credible. Once again Trumps playbook of convincing the fucking stupid that he is right and the commission is bogus without a fucking shred of evidence. You watch, before the thread is done we will trumpers saying "How come the commission didn't call any of credible witnesses that did say there was voter fraud?" No evidence whatsoever of his claim but his followers will swallow his bullshit hook line and sinker.
 
Port Tack said:
Not much new on the first? It showed how he methodically fired or forced out of office anyone in his administration that would not go along with his insanity and he threatened governors to accept his fake electors once Pence said the originals were bogus. .
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Which we already knew.
 
Jarod said:
If you grievously injure someone who’s cause of death is cardiac arrest, you are very likely to be charged with murder or at least manslaughter.
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"If you grievously injure someone ***who’s*** cause of death is cardiac arrest, you are very likely to be charged with murder or at least manslaughter.

You give illiteracy a bad name.
 
Jarod said:
Untrue on several counts.

For one the 12th Amendment says in part… “ The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-”
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Sorry, you're right. But it's strictly a procedural matter. Opening and counting the votes is all that the VP can do or oversee. He's subject to immediate reversal by the courts should he attempt to do something different. What are the other untrue counts?
 
martin said:
Sorry, you're right. But it's strictly a procedural matter. Opening and counting the votes is all that the VP can do or oversee. He's subject to immediate reversal by the courts should he attempt to do something different. What are the other untrue counts?
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Subject to it, but it’s not a sure thing, and it would have caused huge upheaval and unnecessary trauma. It would have caused an even bigger upheaval and delegitimization of the presidency.
 
Port Tack said:
Yes, the thing is, these Trumpers would not give a shit if Trump came out and said "of course I conspired to steal the election from the rightful winner!" and "I was hoping my proud boys (that I love so much) did hang a few of those who refuse to follow me" and "I almost was able to steal the presidency", they don't care, they know that. If Trump were to admit to everything that is painfully obvious to anyone with a lick of sense his Nazi's would still be saying "damn right, too bad it didn't work too". So it doesn't make much sense to bother trying to convince those who know what fucking happened and only wish the wannabe dictator succeeded anyway. They are so much like the Nazi's in 1930's Germany following Hitler it's freaky.
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Agreed the nutjobs don't care. Tucker and Sean are free to lie as much as they like. All that matters is how American voters as a group view Trump's attack on our Constitution and way of life.
 
Port Tack said:
Nixon was in office and stepped down admitting guilt, that was apparently enough. The tapes proved his guilt but that doesn't work any more. Trump can be quoted verbatim and even on video tape and he can say "I never said any such thing" and his Nazi followers still believe him. It's a different world when a significant portion of the population knows you are guilty but worship you anyway, just like Hitler.

And what are WSE's?
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The White Supremacist Extremists the DHS warned us about two years ago. DVE is Domestic Violent Extremist.

October 2020: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

Among DVEs, racially and ethnically motivated
violent extremists—specifically white supremacist
extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent
and lethal threat in the Homeland. Spikes in
other DVE threats probably will depend on
political or social issues that often mobilize other
ideological actors to violence, such as immigration,
environmental, and police-related policy issues.

• WSEs have demonstrated longstanding intent to
target racial and religious minorities, members
of the LGBTQ+ community, politicians, and those
they believe promote multi-culturalism and
globalization at the expense of the WSE identity.
Since 2018, they have conducted more lethal
attacks in the United States than any other DVE
movement.

• Some WSEs have engaged in outreach and
networking opportunities abroad with
incite violence, intimidate targets, and promote
their violent extremist ideologies.

• Simple tactics—such as vehicle ramming, small
arms, edged weapons, arson, and rudimentary
improvised explosive devices (IEDs)—probably
will be most common. However, lone offenders
could employ more sophisticated means, to
include advanced and/or high-consequence
IEDs and using crude chemical, biological, and
radiological materials
 
Jarod said:
Subject to it, but it’s not a sure thing, and it would have caused huge upheaval and unnecessary trauma. It would have caused an even bigger upheaval and delegitimization of the presidency.
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I think it very much is a true thing unless the courts are as rogue as the vice president. Also, a rogue VP could be ignored. The country has long known who next President is and what the EC vote is both in total numbers and state by state. Unless the outgoing President refuses to leave the new President could forget the Senate ceremony and take office. But there's never a guarantee the system won't simply collapse and anarchy ensues. I'm only saying that what the VP does is ceremonial, not definitive.
 
This thread just backs up Trump's comment years ago about how his followers will never waiver, even if he shot someone on 5th Ave.

It doesn't matter what this hearing shows, or how damning the evidence is. The cult will ALWAYS say "nothing to see here, folks...move right along...."

EDIT: the only time he's told the truth, btw.
 
BartenderElite said:
This thread just backs up Trump's comment years ago about how his followers will never waiver, even if he shot someone on 5th Ave.

It doesn't matter what this hearing shows, or how damning the evidence is. The cult will ALWAYS say "nothing to see here, folks...move right along...."

EDIT: the only time he's told the truth, btw.
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Agreed. The good news is that all of the Trumpers on JPP are chickenshits who'll never actually do anything other than whine and bitch on the Internet.
 
Jarod said:
It does not have to be criminal, it merely has to fire up and upset the voters.
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at least one of you is willing to admit your motives......however, you've still failed to provide any evidence linking Trump to this "conspiracy" we now know isn't going ti be criminal...
 
Jarod said:
If you grievously injure someone who’s cause of death is cardiac arrest, you are very likely to be charged with murder or at least manslaughter.
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so we agree no police officers were murdered......now, how about if you put in bullet in the head of an unarmed protester?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
at least one of you is willing to admit your motives......however, you've still failed to provide any evidence linking Trump to this "conspiracy" we now know isn't going ti be criminal...
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The hearings go on for 6(?) more sessions as they lay out the evidence. Your desire to rush to judgment seems to be an act of desperation. Did you give money to the militias, Pmp? Or are you just another keyboard kommando who only plays warrior on the Internet?
 
martin said:
There are two elements to the crime: 1) whether Trump is personally responsible, 2) whether the attack was seditious or just dumb violence. The hearing showed additions to the second element; not much new to the first but keep in mind the hearing wasn't on prime time for the benefit of people who belong to political debate sites. Who knows what Garland plans to do? There are plenty of savvy observers who believe Justice has, and has had, all it needs to indict Trump.
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dude.....ANY crime you want to charge Trump for requires his personal responsibility.......so you are promising this new evidence that Trump committed a crime will show up on Monday?.....fine, we will check back with you after day 2 and you can tell us all about it......
 
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