Happy Indigenous People's Day!

Micawber said:
Probably. Conversely, show me an intelligence who likes to insult me personally and I'll probably go toe to toe with them for quite some time.
The insults don't bug me, it's that arguments are so stupid I infer they think I'm stupid, and that insults me.
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You are stupid to let the insults of idiots and the mentally ill bother you. ;)

What else do they have to offer except insults? Do you really expect people like Pmp, Main Street, Earl, Terry or any other hardcore Trumpers to have intellectual views about US politics?

They simply mouth their talking points then post insults against anyone who disagrees no matter how intellectual the disagreement. Such people can be dangerous, but their words are the words of dummies and the mentally ill. I don't let the words bother me and often seek to use their own words against them.

Should I let the idiocy of Fredo bother me? Look at him:
AssHatZombie said:
you wouldn't recognize a fact even if it chewed your dick off.
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AssHatZombie said:
you can't read good tho, and are dumb.
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This is as high as Fredo can go on the intellectual meter. He's a loser, which is why he's a diehard Trump fan.
 
Hello Micawber,

Micawber said:
Why dignify them with a swan song. I just read his native Americans are Darwin case savages post. He's a scumbag. Block.
Why take a tour of human blight when he so clearly marked a bypass for you? Oh well, we each get to truth our way.
I don't need to be personally insulted to not converse with an uneducated moron.
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I don't want to talk about him or her personally. That would be breaking the Eleanor Roosevelt rule, which I try not to do. I consider it, however, fair game to talk about what he/she has said.

Politics is all about the issues, not the people discussing them. A chat forum is all about the rules. There are site rules and there are the rules we all make for ourselves. My rules work very well for me. No hatred nor personal judging need be harbored. An action has been met with the appropriate response. That is all.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Micawber,



I don't want to talk about him or her personally. That would be breaking the Eleanor Roosevelt rule, which I try not to do. I consider it, however, fair game to talk about what he/she has said.

Politics is all about the issues, not the people discussing them. A chat forum is all about the rules. There are site rules and there are the rules we all make for ourselves. My rules work very well for me. No hatred nor personal judging need be harbored. An action has been met with the appropriate response. That is all.
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A personal choice. IMO, the best way to handle a bully is face-to-face. Most of them are cowards who run from conflict. Their intellectual capacity is short, their education is poor and they have no morals except what Trump tells them is good.

Bullies will not go away and are often encouraged by those who do not stand up against them.

One of my favorite bully stories is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy
 
Micawber said:
Outliers! I can make a longer list of infamy. I'm a half empty kind of guy.
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I personally do not think a righteous historical cause needs to necessarily be victorious, to speak to our conscience across time and space.

"No one can bar the road to truth, and to advance its cause I am prepared to accept even death."

-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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Cypress said:
I personally do not think a righteous historical cause needs to necessarily be victorious, to speak to our conscience across time and space.
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While I completely agree, the reality is that the veneer of civilization is very thin and easily peeled off every Homo Sapiens Sapiens in direct correlation with the removal of civilization itself.

This can be seen in every riot or government collapse in every culture, in every Homo s.s. society in history by virtue of the fact we are Homo sapiens sapiens. We are the Scorpion in the Scorpion and the Frog story.

The way to prevent human beings from devolving into a simian feeding frenzy is to prevent the collapse of civilization in their societies.

Somalia is a current example of where we don't want to go as a society....even though it appears there are proponents on both sides who seem to favor it.
 
Hello Dutch,

Dutch Uncle said:
A personal choice. IMO, the best way to handle a bully is face-to-face. Most of them are cowards who run from conflict. Their intellectual capacity is short, their education is poor and they have no morals except what Trump tells them is good.

Bullies will not go away and are often encouraged by those who do not stand up against them.

One of my favorite bully stories is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy
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Definitely a personal choice. I don't spend as much time here per day as those who get into the grudge matches. My whole approach is get in, get the best quality of discussion possible, get out, get back to real life. I've simply got better things to do with my time.

I try to limit my time here, so I want to talk about events and ideas more than other people.

I couldn't care less about the bullies here. I have an extremely effective way of dealing with that, so they are not a problem at all.

Abuse requires two parts. There is the abuser and there is the enabler. One cannot be abused if they do not permit it.

The McElroy case was sad and it was real life. Real life and online are two very different arenas. Online abuse absolutely depends on an enabler.

The McElroy case reminds me of this video:

 
Stretch said:
It's 2021. That's simple history. Things change. Quit crying over spilled milk. Get a life.
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Said the ugly-hearted bigot without a trace of irony.

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PoliTalker said:
...Abuse requires two parts. There is the abuser and there is the enabler. One cannot be abused if they do not permit it.

The McElroy case was sad and it was real life. Real life and online are two very different arenas. Online abuse absolutely depends on an enabler...
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Agreed online. OTOH, do you doubt the most abusive online bullies are also bullies IRL? Several have admitted to violence and crimes in their personal lives.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch

I don't know. Seems like a reasonable assumption.
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Even downplaying their claimed exploits still proves they have violent tendencies.

I've had four of them threaten be beat me up and two threatened to kill me even they were too chickenshit to use the actual words.

These are not normal, honest people. I suspect all of them are both potentially deadly and mentally ill. Ignoring them might give peace of mind, but that doesn't neutralize these crazy people from harming others, both on and offline. Better to get them the help they need even if it means arrest and imprisonment. It could save a person's life.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed online. OTOH, do you doubt the most abusive online bullies are also bullies IRL? Several have admitted to violence and crimes in their personal lives.
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I would bet that online bullies are the bullied victims in real life. They use the anonymity of the Internet to get even.

You've managed yourself to quell some of the more virulent bullies on this forum. Interestingly enough, both of us have been accused to bullying one particular person who is one of the worst online bullies I've run across, but who excels at playing the pitiful, pathetic victim.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Even downplaying their claimed exploits still proves they have violent tendencies.

I've had four of them threaten be beat me up and two threatened to kill me even they were too chickenshit to use the actual words.

These are not normal, honest people. I suspect all of them are both potentially deadly and mentally ill. Ignoring them might give peace of mind, but that doesn't neutralize these crazy people from harming others, both on and offline. Better to get them the help they need even if it means arrest and imprisonment. It could save a person's life.
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Not my concern.

I'm just glad our nation is officially recognizing Indigenous Peoples' Day.

That is so awesome.

Really, really good to see.

Anybody who doesn't agree is just not being fair and reasonable about it. President Biden did not pick that day. People have been celebrating it as Indigenous Peoples' Day for a long time now. The choice was recognize it or not. All Biden did was say yes, this is part of our heritage.

It is impossible to pretend to embrace diversity, and then turn right around and place conditions on that about who counts and who doesn't. That's false. There is no such thing as selective racial diversity. That's a BS claim.

It is a perfect idea, having this day shared with Columbus Day. Let people take notice of both concepts, and be motivated to simply learn our history. Let the left and the right and the middle all decide which or both or none of these concepts to celebrate. Then maybe at some point years later we may decide if we want to stop recognizing Columbus Day officially or not. But not now. Obviously there would be too much opposition to that at this time. So it's good to have the day recognize both.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Even downplaying their claimed exploits still proves they have violent tendencies.

I've had four of them threaten be beat me up and two threatened to kill me even they were too chickenshit to use the actual words.

These are not normal, honest people. I suspect all of them are both potentially deadly and mentally ill. Ignoring them might give peace of mind, but that doesn't neutralize these crazy people from harming others, both on and offline. Better to get them the help they need even if it means arrest and imprisonment. It could save a person's life.
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Not my concern.

I'm just glad our nation is officially recognizing Indigenous Peoples' Day.

That is so awesome.

Really, really good to see.

Anybody who doesn't agree is just not being fair and reasonable about it. President Biden did not pick that day. People have been celebrating it as Indigenous Peoples' Day for a long time now. The choice was recognize it or not. All Biden did was say yes, this is part of our heritage.

It is impossible to pretend to embrace diversity, and then turn right around and place conditions on that about who counts and who doesn't. That's false. There is no such thing as selective racial diversity. That's a BS claim.

It is a perfect idea, having this day shared with Columbus Day. Let people take notice of both concepts, and be motivated to simply learn our history. Let the left and the right and the middle all decide which or both or none of these concepts to celebrate. Then maybe at some point years later we may decide if we want to stop recognizing Columbus Day officially or not. But not now. Obviously there would be too much opposition to that at this time. So it's good to have the day recognize both.

The most important part is if it motivates people to learn our history. Not left history or right history, but our real actual history.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
While I completely agree, the reality is that the veneer of civilization is very thin and easily peeled off every Homo Sapiens Sapiens in direct correlation with the removal of civilization itself.

This can be seen in every riot or government collapse in every culture, in every Homo s.s. society in history by virtue of the fact we are Homo sapiens sapiens. We are the Scorpion in the Scorpion and the Frog story.

The way to prevent human beings from devolving into a simian feeding frenzy is to prevent the collapse of civilization in their societies.

Somalia is a current example of where we don't want to go as a society....even though it appears there are proponents on both sides who seem to favor it.
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We are the most violent species on the planet, bar none.

That is why democracy, human rights, and basic dignity are only protected by a fragile facade. A facade which requires constant vigilance by a universal moral code originating from social convention, religion, and/or tradition.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Cypress,



They came with the sanction of royalty. They should have been more honorable. The fact that they were not contributed to an understanding that the very notion of governance by royalty was a flawed concept.
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Mercantile capitalism and economic exploitation were the source of cruelty to the indigenous people, and later the African slaves, in my opinion.

To give credit where credit is due there were a number of decent Spanish Catholic priests who tried to intervene on behalf of native peoples against the forces of economic exploitation.

William Penn's Quaker colony was famously tolerant of native peoples, by the standards of the time.

The French in Canada were reputed to be relatively equitable in the way they dealt with natives, at least by 17th century standards.
 
Cypress said:
We are the most violent species on the planet, bar none.

That is why democracy, human rights, and basic dignity are only protected by a fragile facade. A facade which requires constant vigilance by a universal moral code originating from social convention, religion, and/or tradition.
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Pulling off the later is going to be a very cool trick. :)

TBH, I think we're getting there, but there's a long row to hoe. Breaking into space colonization will open near infinite opportunities to explore how best to solve human problems....but as mentioned before, being human is part of the problem.
 
Hello Cypress,

Cypress said:
We are the most violent species on the planet, bar none.

That is why democracy, human rights, and basic dignity are only protected by a fragile facade. A facade which requires constant vigilance by a universal moral code originating from social convention, religion, and/or tradition.
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The Trump party doesn't care about that at all.

The have completely lost touch with the importance of it.

They have no honor and no dignity.

They live a lie and try to pass it off to the American people.
 
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