Betrayed

Dutch Uncle said:
Do you consider any Warrior Codes admirable? What do you admire about ancient civilizations such as the Romans, Greeks, Persians, Chinese and Japanese?
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Sure and I have great admiration for all those societies. We in the West owe so much to the Romans and Greeks and I also admire Julius Caesar as a universal genius who was absolutely brilliant in everything he did from Politics, Commanding Armies and waging war, to art and literature and seducing women (and boys).

But his sense of honor I do not admire as he was willing to sacrifice millions of lives in the name of his honor from the civilians he killed or sold into slavery in Gaul in the name of his honor, to wars he fought to preserve his honor, to an entire Army at Munda that had surrendered in good faith that he had executed because he gave his word that he would take no prisoners and felt he had to execute them to protect his honor. No, I don't find that honorable at all. Caesar wasn't the only Roman aristocrat who did that too. Sulla, Pompey, Augustus, Marius, etc., did that too in the name of their honor, as did quite a few other Roman Aristocrats.

Hell after the Siege of Mytilene Lucullus ordered all the female camp followers who had worked for the Roman Army as cooks, maids, servants and prostitutes executed because he believed that some of them had been spies. When his legates asked him to rescind the order as being too cruel to execute all the women because of a few spies Lucullus agreed that his order was wrong and that he should not have issued it but he declined to rescind his order because he had given his word to execute them and he could not go back on his word to protect his honor. So all the women were rounded up (several thousand of them) and executed. Hell after that he then permitted the Women of Mytilene to come outside the gates to find and bury their dead men and made sure his Army protected them but he had no problem killing several thousand female camp followers even after admitting he had made a mistake because his honor was more important to him than their lives. That's the view of Honor the Roman aristocracy had. I do not find that admirable or honorable.
 
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Nordberg said:
The FBI has fingered 800 people involved in the riots. The 180 charged now have all said they were following their president's orders. Real patriots are turning the rioters in. But this riot was an act of sedition by Trump, Rudy, and the other speakers.
Hockey stick man is in real trouble. He went to a rally and may wind up with a murder charge.
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Donnie is in big trouble
 
Nordberg said:
The FBI has fingered 800 people involved in the riots. The 180 charged now have all said they were following their president's orders. Real patriots are turning the rioters in. But this riot was an act of sedition by Trump, Rudy, and the other speakers.
Hockey stick man is in real trouble. He went to a rally and may wind up with a murder charge.
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:magagrin:
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Sure and I have great admiration for all those societies. We in the West owe so much to the Romans and Greeks and I also admire Julius Caesar as a universal genius who was absolutely brilliant in everything he did from Politics, Commanding Armies and waging war, to art and literature and seducing women (and boys).

But his sense of honor I do not admire as he was willing to sacrifice millions of lives in the name of his honor from the civilians he killed or sold into slavery in Gaul in the name of his honor, to wars he fought to preserve his honor, to an entire Army at Munda that had surrendered in good faith that he had executed because he gave his word that he would take no prisoners and felt he had to execute them to protect his honor. No, I don't find that honorable at all. Caesar wasn't the only Roman aristocrat who did that too. Sulla, Pompey, Augustus, Marius, etc., did that too in the name of their honor, as did quite a few other Roman Aristocrats.

Hell after the Siege of Mytilene Lucullus ordered all the female camp followers who had worked for the Roman Army as cooks, maids, servants and prostitutes executed because he believed that some of them had been spies. When his legates asked him to rescind the order as being too cruel to execute all the women because of a few spies Lucullus agreed that his order was wrong and that he should not have issued it but he declined to rescind his order because he had given his word to execute them and he could not go back on his word to protect his honor. So all the women were rounded up (several thousand of them) and executed. Hell after that he then permitted the Women of Mytilene to come outside the gates to find and bury their dead men and made sure his Army protected them but he had no problem killing several thousand female camp followers even after admitting he had made a mistake because his honor was more important to him than their lives. That's the view of Honor the Roman aristocracy had. I do not find that admirable or honorable.
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Julius Caesar was brilliant and audacious for 50 BC but I only respect him, not admire him. He betrayed his country and turned it into a dictatorship.

That said, who were the great abolitionists pre-Jesus?
 
volsrock said:
This Rambles and Jumbles Speech

https://twitter.com/x/status/1354190997668954112
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Fuck Biden. WTF does your bullshit have to do with the insurrectionist, riot-inciting former President currently illegally hiding out in Mar-a-Lago?

You know, the same fucking moron who threw hundreds of his supporters under the bus and on the path to prison? Why are you whining about Biden when it was Trump who betrayed hundreds of Trump supporters?
 
Niche Political Commentor said:
they can feel betrayed all they want. trump never called for violence.

there almost certainly is a very small segment of totally deluded trump supporters. they are true believers. I visit thedonald.win everyday (the largest donald trump forum) and there are people there that literally believe like in full blown conspiracy theories and trump might still swoop in the last week and somehow keep the whitehouse. They are mentally ill.
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For heaven's sake- WHAT DID TRUMP EXPECT HIS RIGHT WING EXTREMIST WHITE NATIONALIST MILITIA TO DO- Have a picnic on the steps of CONGRESS? THESE THUGS WERE ARMED AND DANGEROUS!

AND NO THERE WERE NO SMALL SEGMENT OF TOTALLY DELUDED TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!

THAT WOULD BE MOST OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS!

The only question now is- DO THE REPUBLICANS SURVIVE THE DONALD TRUMP ERA without a party split?

And if the party splits- can it win in the Midterms?

You Republicans have no reason to be planning 4 years ahead- AS YOU BETTER BE LOOKING AHEAD AT THE MIDTERMS.
 
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Dutch Uncle said:
Julius Caesar was brilliant and audacious for 50 BC but I only respect him, not admire him. He betrayed his country and turned it into a dictatorship.

That said, who were the great abolitionists pre-Jesus?
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Good question. I honestly have no idea. Back then you either owned slaves or were a slave.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Good question. I honestly have no idea. Back then you either owned slaves or were a slave.
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Agreed. All cultures of mankind were brutal. It’s only in the 20th Century that human rights become common in the modern world.

Trying to judge First Century BC mankind by 20th or 21st Century standards is silly. What’s the point? Better, IMO, to understand what happened and try to learn from it.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. All cultures of mankind were brutal. It’s only in the 20th Century that human rights become common in the modern world.

Trying to judge First Century BC mankind by 20th or 21st Century standards is silly. What’s the point? Better, IMO, to understand what happened and try to learn from it.
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Oh absolutely. Aniquity would have been an utterly alien world to modern man.
 
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