Dutch Uncle
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What does that have to do with your lie about me? Disagreed. Lots of people speak up, just not always enough. Eventually Hitler and McCarthy were stopped.
Was Hiroshima an act of terrorism?
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What does that have to do with your lie about me? Disagreed. Lots of people speak up, just not always enough. Eventually Hitler and McCarthy were stopped.
Iolo/Penderyn
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Hitler was finished as Stalingrad. I've yet to learn of any defeat for McCarthyism except a cosmetic one. A very high proportion of Americans now remind me of the Stalinists I used to argue with, who were also mostly well-meaning people only allowed a narrow view of reality.
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Dutch Uncle
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How does any of that justify your lie about me?
If goal has been walked back to a mere assassination attempt, I would think there are more effective, and even less traceable ways, to execute a foreign leader, than dropping a nuclear weapon on Moscow
Dutch Uncle
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Not just an assassination attempt but to take down a threat to world peace.....or do you think the Cold War was peaceful?
Iolo/Penderyn
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I never lie, tho I sometimes overstate.. What do you think was untrue then?
Dutch Uncle
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Is that what you call this, an overstatement?:
I call it a bald faced lie
Iolo/Penderyn
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In my experience, all non-Jews who support 'Israel' belong to political movements - the American Republicans and such - which were at least sympathetic to Nazism, and have parents or grandparents who were anti-semetic, In this Valley, we remember what you did to the greatest American so far, our friend Paul Robeson. Did your family do anything to support him? I'd use that as a good basis for judgement.
I think Stalin was one of history's great criminals, and that people in the USSR and in the immediate geographic Soviet sphere of influence were the primary victims of Stalin's abuses and crimes.
The United States was never at risk of invasion and occupation by Soviet armed forces.
We successfully contained totalitarian communism, without resorting to a nuclear holocaust. I am frankly surprised any reasonable person would suggest we should have abandoned the reasonably successful policy of containment for a policy of open thermonuclear warfare.
Sidebar: I have always liked to believe Stalin was assassinated by Beria and collaborators in the politbureau - but I have no proof of it
What about this part: if all parties have to adhere to the rules, the little guy never wins. That's quite nearly axiomatic. After all, it is the winners who write the next set of rules.
So it is always a rigged game.
What about self determination? Communism is popular, and not just because of the Soviets.
Robeson: What an interesting person you plucked out.
The one and only time Soviet communism was put to a vote in the 1918 elections to the constituent assembly, the Russian people overwhelmingly voted for democratic socialists and liberal political parties over the Bolsheviks.
That is why the Bolsheviks forcibly took power, and disbanded the constituent assembly: the Russian people decisively voted against them.
Sure I'm aware of the white/red distinction and Trotsky v Lenin. I was speaking more globally. South America, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Africa....
It's not solely a colonial domino theory propagation thing. And our motives aren't pure, freedom can be code for mercantile capitalism that can't thrive
in communist governments.
Yes, totalitarian left wing movements were widespread in the third world in the mid 20th century.
Since they never allowed themselves to be put to a vote, or submitted themselves for evaluation in a legitimate democratic process, it is impossible to say if they represented the popular will of the people.
Lenin in fact realized he could not wait around for the proletariat to fall in love with communism. The entire premise of Leninism is that an elite revolutionary vanguard has to seize power by force, and drag the proletariat (kicking and screaming if need be) into a glorious cummunist future
Dutch Uncle
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Where did you grow up and where do you live because I've never seen it. I was a military dependent and then in the military myself for over 20 years. I lived in over a dozen homes and went to almost a dozen different schools in different areas before I was 18. What region of the world taught you that lying about others is good? What region of the world taught you to make bald-faced lies about those who disagree with you?:
Dutch Uncle
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Primarily, but his reach was external. Millions of Germans, Poles, Czechs would agree.
Except for Vietnam and Korea, China tended to mind their own business for several decades. It was only in the last 20 years that they've become expansionist.
Nazi Germany wasn't threatening to invade the US either. What's your point?
moon
Satire for Sanity
Says the weirdo who states that I support killing children and want the destruction of Izrael. Liars need good memories, chummy. You don't appear to be so blessed.
