Was Hiroshima an act of terrorism?

Dutch Uncle said:
The Soviet Union was aligned with Hitler and brutally attacked their neighbors. They continued their brutality even after hostilities ended. Stalin was known to be a brutal dictator and nutjob. Do you really think he wasn't a threat?

Not trolling. I would have supported Patton and LeMay. As it was, it didn't happen and luckily the world survived the Cold War without a nuclear exchange.
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You are one of about two dozen people on the entire planet who would have ordered a nuclear first strike on the Russian people in 1945.

Does not strike me as particularly libertarian.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sorry, but the only people I've seen who constantly yammer about "Zionism" are antisemitics. Invariably they are pro-Palestinian and support terrorism as a "just" cause to fight "Zionism". In short, Zionist is just code for "Jew" like some people use "Thug" as code for "African-American"...or worse.
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According to professor Don Howard of Notre Dame University, Albert Einstein was opposed to political Zionism

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...nti-zionist-Anti-Israel&p=2925843#post2925843
 
Cypress said:
According to professor Don Howard of Notre Dame University, Albert Einstein was opposed to political Zionism

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...nti-zionist-Anti-Israel&p=2925843#post2925843
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Cypress said:
The most famous Jewish person of the 20th century did not support the creation of a state of Israel, fearing it would contribute to war and conflict in the Middle East.
Einstein and Zionism

For the rest of his life, Einstein lent his support to the Zionist movement. But he was always careful to explain that he supported “cultural Zionism,” not “national Zionism.” That meant support for Jewish refugees in Palestine and for institutions like Hebrew University, but not support for a Jewish national state, which he feared would lead to conflict with Palestinian Arabs.


source credit: Albert Einstein: Physicist, Philosopher, Humanitarian course notes, Professor Don Howard, Notre Dame University
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Notice the reason. Einstein had just lived through the fucking Holocaust. I'm certain he didn't want to give any assholes a reason to have a second one. Einstein was speaking out of fear for his people, not that he thought Zionism was wrong.
 
Nordberg said:
Nope. The behind the scenes deal was already nearly finished. Japan was done, as Ike and Leahy said. But what do they know compared to you? We could have leveled those cities like we did the others and not used nukes. We owned the skies. We firebombed many. many cities and in some cities, killed more than the Abomb could have. It was a show of strength and a scientific experiment. They spent over a trillion dollars making those 2 bombs and were not going to skip seeing what they could do.
I know you want to believe that stuff, but it just isn't true. It is what the victor says when it is over. They write the history. That is why we say we did not torture, but we did. We say we did not gun down unarmed citizens and children, but we did.
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Nordberg said:
This guy has the cost at 30 bill. http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/05/17/the-price-of-the-manhattan-project/
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Yes that's adjusted for inflation in 2013, he also says the total cost was around 2 billion on 1945. You were only a thousand times too high, hope you weren't an accountant.
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Nordberg said:
Nope. The behind the scenes deal was already nearly finished. Japan was done, as Ike and Leahy said. But what do they know compared to you? We could have leveled those cities like we did the others and not used nukes. We owned the skies. We firebombed many. many cities and in some cities, killed more than the Abomb could have. It was a show of strength and a scientific experiment. They spent over a trillion dollars making those 2 bombs and were not going to skip seeing what they could do.
I know you want to believe that stuff, but it just isn't true. It is what the victor says when it is over. They write the history. That is why we say we did not torture, but we did. We say we did not gun down unarmed citizens and children, but we did.
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Phantasmal said:
I don’t think moon is anti-Semetic, I think he is anti Zionist, as am I and pro Palestinian people, as am I. There is a big difference.
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God, you so bloody naive Doris.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Another expected but false reply. I'm good with everyone regardless of culture or skin-tone with the exception of murderers. Those who intentionally civilian targets are murderers. If the Palestinians want to war with Israel they should be attacking military targets. This is 2021, not 1945. Not 1948. Not 1968. It's been over 70 years since Israel became a nation and you are still supporting terrorists killing innocent women and children.

ROFLMAO

Nice dance, but you're no Ginger Rogers.
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The Palestinians were INVADED, fool. Izrael has defied international law for seventy years , murdered and displaced hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians- and you're conditioned, probably for self-enrichment- to believe that the victims are ' terrorists '.


Haw, haw.................................haw.
 
moon said:
The Palestinians were INVADED, fool. Izrael has defied international law for seventy years , murdered and displaced hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians- and you're conditioned, probably for self-enrichment- to believe that the victims are ' terrorists '.


Haw, haw.................................haw.
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Thanks for your justification of mass murder and terrorism. If confirms everything I've thought about you and, hopefully, others will see the same. No wonder your little country is a hot mess.
 
Cypress said:
You are one of about two dozen people on the entire planet who would have ordered a nuclear first strike on the Russian people in 1945.

Does not strike me as particularly libertarian.
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Really? About two dozen? Who are the other 24ish?

Not "the Russian people". Just the Politburo with Stalin at the podium. A small nuke would be fine.
 
Micawber said:
lol that opens the door a bit wide.
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You missed the Cinco de Mayo party, but Labor Day is coming up. Hang on tight!

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Dutch Uncle said:
No, but then I haven't seen you constantly yammer about "Zionists", support Palestinian terrorists and post anti-American rhetoric.

It helps that you're an American and not a foreigner. :)

BTW, what happened to the OP author "Cancel"?
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There are no Palestinian terrorists, just the Nazi occupation of Palestine, as you know perfectly well. Your kind hated Jews while your Great Model ruled Germany, and you use zionist racism to pretend you've changed.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Another expected but false reply. I'm good with everyone regardless of culture or skin-tone with the exception of murderers. Those who intentionally civilian targets are murderers. If the Palestinians want to war with Israel they should be attacking military targets. This is 2021, not 1945. Not 1948. Not 1968. It's been over 70 years since Israel became a nation and you are still supporting terrorists killing innocent women and children.

ROFLMAO

Nice dance, but you're no Ginger Rogers.
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I'd like to carve out some grey area and remove the subject at hand to discuss it.

Let's assume total asymmetry between warring parties, a completely righteous cause, an oppressor, lack of technological capability to distinguish.
If you are asserting killing civilians is never justifiable, that's arguable, and to bring it back to the subject at hand, there is at least some of these elements at
play here.

Israel could obliterate the occupied or disputed territories of Palestine, Palestinian Authority or the agitators/terrorists (trying to pick a word here) don't have
smart missile tech, there is a righteous claim to self governance and land, they have been attacked on occasion in ways that also lacked strict adherence
to international law eg operation cast lead.

IOW, if all parties have to adhere to the rules, the little guy never wins. That's quite nearly axiomatic. After all, it is the winners who write the next set of rules.
So it is always a rigged game.

Not to say I can't argue the other side.

If it is existential and imperative to win, how can you say killing the other sides civilians is never justifiable? Were the American Indians to line up
in Roman columns against US guns on a battlefield for just war?
 
Penderyn said:
There are no Palestinian terrorists, just the Nazi occupation of Palestine, as you know perfectly well. Your kind hated Jews while your Great Model ruled Germany, and you use zionist racism to pretend you've changed.
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The fact you are compelled to lie says a lot about your character.
 
Micawber said:
I'd like to carve out some grey area and remove the subject at hand to discuss it.

Let's assume total asymmetry between warring parties, a completely righteous cause, an oppressor, lack of technological capability to distinguish.
If you are asserting killing civilians is never justifiable, that's arguable, and to bring it back to the subject at hand, there is at least some of these elements at
play here.

Israel could obliterate the occupied or disputed territories of Palestine, Palestinian Authority or the agitators/terrorists (trying to pick a word here) don't have
smart missile tech, there is a righteous claim to self governance and land, they have been attacked on occasion in ways that also lacked strict adherence
to international law eg operation cast lead.

IOW, if all parties have to adhere to the rules, the little guy never wins. That's quite nearly axiomatic. After all, it is the winners who write the next set of rules.
So it is always a rigged game.

Not to say I can't argue the other side.

If it is existential and imperative to win, how can you say killing the other sides civilians is never justifiable? Were the American Indians to line up
in Roman columns against US guns on a battlefield for just war?
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I try to avoid text walls so will just touch on the bolded: There's a clear difference between "killing civilians" and targeting civilians. It's clearly wrong, post-WWII, to target civilians. Even during and previous to WWII many thought it wrong, but the situation became either do it or lose the war to the fascists.

Trying to equate past wrongs with present wrongs means we've learned nothing and everything is justified. Bringing up Romans enslaving Germans or the Yankee treatment of Native Americans just muddies the waters when it comes to WWII or present-day Israel.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The fact you are compelled to lie says a lot about your character.
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I'm compelled by nothing but truth and observation, chum, and I speak as one who'd intended to become an Israeli (easy at the time if you weren't Muslim) until I met some Palestinians in a pub. They also explained that the Prophet had been misunderstood about booze, which I was glad to know!
 
Penderyn said:
I'm compelled by nothing but truth and observation, chum, and I speak as one who'd intended to become an Israeli (easy at the time if you weren't Muslim) until I met some Palestinians in a pub. They also explained that the Prophet had been misunderstood about booze, which I was glad to know!
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You are free to lie all you like, but you and I both know this is a lie on your part:
Penderyn said:
Your kind hated Jews while your Great Model ruled Germany, and you use zionist racism to pretend you've changed.
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