I'll be voting Libertarian...
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
If it’s a libertarian...does it matter? If you vote for a libertarian you might as well vote for a brick or a broomstick or Watermark or some other inanimate object. They never do anything and never have.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
One less vote for Biden.
BTW, it's at least two less votes since I'm voting Libertarian too. This is two elections in a row where both major parties nominated candidates clearly unfit to serve. I refuse to vote for "the lesser of two evils" since it only encourages the major parties to keep doing it.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Only for President. The Libertarian party needs to grow and the best way to grow is through local and state elections.
The main reason to vote Libertarian (or any Third Party) for President is to deny either major party candidate 50%+ of the vote. Despite all the whining and bitching from the Democrats about Hillary's 3 million votes the facts remain the following: She only received 48.2% of the vote. More Americans voted against her than for her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Not in every state. It has to grow as mentioned above. Are there any Libertarian State or local candidates on the ballot?
Iolo/Penderyn
Verified User
Doesn't American Libertarianism accept capitalism.? I can't see how you can have that without something approaching a police state to ensure the right people get the swag.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
FTFY
countryboy
Verified User
Change my mind...
I've never really understood the libertarian penchant for cutting off your nose to spite your face. You might as well vote for Biden, it'll have the same effect.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
At least he's demonstrating that he has a brain and a conscience.
Two qualities Trump sheeptard voters lack.
AfuckingMEN!
Everyone is free to vote for whom they want...but a vote for the Libertarian candidate for president is like a vote for a cinder block.
correct
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Not so much that as they are utterly ineffectual. Libertarians are great at ideas but to say they are poor at execution is a gross understatement.
I mean Damo’s opening statement of “change my mind” is an example of that. The primary art and science of politics isn’t about changing peoples minds cause that’s nigh on impossible to do. The art and science of politics is about finding common ground with people and building coalitions.
Libertarians have a self fulfilling prophecy to fail at building coalitions by holding utilitarian institutions in contempt. Even the so called libertarians who do actually get elected are more often than not conservatives in drag as they are institutionalist.
So why would you vote for someone that is so ineffective that they fail consistently to find common ground and build diverse political coalitions? Even if elected they don’t accomplish anything.
So my response to Damo, if I wanted his vote is, I’m not going to try and change your mind. I’m going to respect what you believe that I disagree with and try to gain your support on where we agree.
childish.
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Libertarians are a joke. There was a time when I flirted with becoming a libertarian but then realized that they are just leftists who don’t like high taxes. They really are indistinguishable from liberals.
Now that weed is pretty much legal in most places, libertarians are an after thought.
Now that weed is pretty much legal in most places, libertarians are an after thought.
Libertarians are actually for limited government reach, unlike Republicans
Dems are hopeless statists who will intrude in every possible area of your life they get their claws into- forget them
Buy as noted Libertarians are not ready for prime time POTUS politics.
Gary Johnson "where is Aleppo" moment shows that
Dems are hopeless statists who will intrude in every possible area of your life they get their claws into- forget them
Buy as noted Libertarians are not ready for prime time POTUS politics.
Gary Johnson "where is Aleppo" moment shows that
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I don’t agree with that. Ross Perot and Ralph Nader had historical influences as third party candidates. Clinton and W probably owe their elections to their third part runs and both had significant impact on both major party coalitions.
exceptions to the rule. Perot had a message of fiscal responsibility. Nader a long time consumerist (populist).
What was Gary Johnson's message? or the current dweeb? nobody knows or cares
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
And how do you propose that they grow when they are such abject failures at building diverse political coalitions? Libertarians have to solve that problem before they can become a credible political party that can get things done.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Disagreed on both points. First, voting for common sense government isn't "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Over the past 30 years both the Democrats and Republicans have moved away from the center and toward the extremes. It's one reason why the Federal government has become more dysfunctional.
Bullshit on a the idea of "a vote for Libertarianism is a vote for Biden". It's a vote for Libertarianism. If most people voted Libertarian, then a Libertarian would be elected. How others vote is up to them. That's how it works.
Those on both the Left and Right who diss people voting Third Party are just proving they are political extremists who do not recognize American freedoms such as the right to vote for whom they please.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
It’s not a matter of what libertarians believe. Hell practically no one believes in an all powerful central government and practically everyone wants limits to governments power. That isn’t the issue with Libertarians. It’s the fact that they are impotent that’s the issue.