Corona Virus Peak Watch Thread

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Why isn't Texas in the CDC count?

Facts are facts and body counts are body counts. All people can do is choose their path then live with the consequences.

I don't fault all government for the failures. Some things have to come in their own time. Can you imagine how many Democrats would have shit bricks if Bush 43 had tried to set up TSA and DHS on September 1st, 2001? How many citizens would have been screaming Bush was a fascist and needed to be impeached? It's amazing what can happen to people's attitudes two weeks later.
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Congress authorized the TSA and Bush signed it into law. It's not like it was just an EO. Bush did set up OHS which later became the DHS with very strong bilateral Congressional support. Naturally, all of that happened after the 911 attacks not before. No doubt the idea would have met stronger resistance before the attack.

We basically got caught with our pants down on 911, then we reacted to the tragedy by setting up an apparatus which could better deal with such a threat.

And it will be the same way with the pandemic. Hong Kong and Taiwan got hit hard by the SARS outbreak and put aggressive measures into place to deal with future pandemics. Those measures have served them well during the Coronavirus pandemic. The USA was not impacted greatly by SARS, so we did nothing much to prepare for a future pandemic. That, and having a selfish non-leader president are why we are being impacted so badly by this pandemic. I have no doubt we will take steps to correct that after the dust has settled from all this if Biden is elected. If we get DT again, nothing will probably be done and we will remain highly vulnerable to the next one.

I have seen news reports that Texas, Florida and Arizona are quickly reaching ICU capacity and rapidly taking measures to expand emergency capacity to deal with the increase volume. It is obvious the CDC reporting does not accurately reflect the situation. It appears efforts are being made to publicly pretend the ICU bed situation is better than it really is. Hopefully future measures will deal with such nonsense. We need accurate information to most effectively deal with a problem. Pretending it is not so bad does not help.
 
Monday

7-6

USA

Total Cases 3,040,833

New Cases +50,586

Total Deaths 132,979

New Deaths +378

Total Recovered 1,324,947

Active Cases 1,582,907

Serious, Critical 15,198

Tot Cases/1M pop 9,186

Deaths/1M pop 402

Total Tests 38,217,640

Tests/1M pop 115,449
 
The data shows that we are getting more cases, and the pandemic is getting out of control.

We just passed the 3 million total cases mark.

The data also shows that we are getting fewer deaths.

This is due to a combination of effects. One of which is that many of the new cases are in younger people who are less likely to die. Another is that because of Remdesivir, and other measures, we are becoming better able to treat COVID-19. It is not a cure, but it is a more effective treatment than nothing, and it has saved lives.

Another troubling trend being seen is that blacks and Hispanics are being impacted at a far greater rate. They are 3 times as likely to get the disease and twice as likely to die from it. This is because these minorities more frequently work in the service industry and are more likely to be exposed.

Caution should be noted in that just because fewer deaths are being recorded it should not be taken that this is not a very dangerous disease. Some who have not died also have not fully recovered. It is not known what lingering effects will be seen, nor if they will ever go away or permanently impact those so affected.

" Patients with COVID-19 who developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) could have a greater risk of long-term health issues.
Additionally, people requiring intensive care are at increased risk for mental health issues like post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), anxiety, and depression.
Impaired lung function from SARS-CoV-2 infection can negatively affect other organs like the heart, kidneys, and brain, with significant health impacts that may last after getting over the infection."

Healthline

Liver damage is also indicated. Some deaths from COVID-19 may not occur for years after the Pandemic.
 
Valeria Olivares, The Texas Tribune Published 9:17 am CDT, Monday, July 6, 2020:

"Several Texas cities worry hospitals may run out of beds in two weeks or sooner

Local officials and experts in Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Fort Worth have expressed concerns in recent days that increasing coronavirus hospitalizations could overwhelm their intensive care capacities, with some saying it could happen in less than two weeks.

As Texas hit another record high Sunday, reporting 8,181 people hospitalized for the new coronavirus, local officials predicted cities could soon run out of space to care for the sickest patients. The state reported that there still are 13,307 available staffed hospital beds, including 1,203 available staffed ICU beds statewide, but hospital capacity varies greatly by region.

On Sunday, Austin Mayor Steve Adler told the Austin American-Statesman that hospitals there could be overwhelmed in the "next 10 days to two weeks" if the amount of people admitted because of the coronavirus continues to increase, adding that 434 out of 1,500 Austin-area hospital beds for coronavirus patients are occupied.

HOUSTON COVID-19 UPDATES: Record high for hospitalizations in Texas

The San Antonio Express-News also reported that the city's hospitals could be overrun with patients in the next week or two, noting that the number of hospitalized coronavirus patients in that area's trauma service region rose by 55% in the past week.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported Tuesday that Rajesh Nandy, an associate professor of biostatistics and epidemiology in the UNT Health Science Center’s School of Public Health, warned that Tarrant County hospitals could reach capacity in about three weeks.

As of Saturday, 10 of 12 hospitals in Texas' Rio Grande Valley had already reached capacity as the number of people being hospitalized for the coronavirus more than doubled over the last two weeks.

Ten of Texas' trauma service regions have more than 70% of their beds filled, with six of those regions reporting their beds are at least 80% filled, according to data from the Texas Department of State Health Services.

On Thursday, Gov. Greg Abbott ordered Texans in most counties to wear masks in public. The mandate warns people living in counties with more than 20 active coronavirus cases that first-time violators will face a warning while repeat offenders could face a $250 fine."
 
PoliTalker said:
The data shows that we are getting more cases, and the pandemic is getting out of control.

We just passed the 3 million total cases mark.

The data also shows that we are getting fewer deaths.

This is due to a combination of effects. One of which is that many of the new cases are in younger people who are less likely to die. Another is that because of Remdesivir, and other measures, we are becoming better able to treat COVID-19. It is not a cure, but it is a more effective treatment than nothing, and it has saved lives.

Another troubling trend being seen is that blacks and Hispanics are being impacted at a far greater rate. They are 3 times as likely to get the disease and twice as likely to die from it. This is because these minorities more frequently work in the service industry and are more likely to be exposed.

Caution should be noted in that just because fewer deaths are being recorded it should not be taken that this is not a very dangerous disease. Some who have not died also have not fully recovered. It is not known what lingering effects will be seen, nor if they will ever go away or permanently impact those so affected.

" Patients with COVID-19 who developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) could have a greater risk of long-term health issues.
Additionally, people requiring intensive care are at increased risk for mental health issues like post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), anxiety, and depression.
Impaired lung function from SARS-CoV-2 infection can negatively affect other organs like the heart, kidneys, and brain, with significant health impacts that may last after getting over the infection."

Healthline

Liver damage is also indicated. Some deaths from COVID-19 may not occur for years after the Pandemic.
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A Dr. is talking this morning on local news that even though the number of deaths are down, people as young as 20 are going to have long term health problems due to COVID.
 
"Intensive care units at several hospitals in Central Florida were at full capacity on Monday, as the state reported more than 6,000 new cases of coronavirus and 47 deaths."

"we have seen an increase in the number of hospitalizations"

"Orlando Health did not respond on Monday to a request seeking comment. However, the health system on Friday said it is “carefully monitoring” patient volumes and can make adjustments if the COVID-19 caseload grows."

"The situation has been more dire in South Florida.

Miami-Dade said it has more than 1,600 coronavirus patients now in the hospital, more than double from two weeks ago. Miami’s Baptist Hospital had only four of its 88 ICU beds available.

“If we continue to increase at the pace we have been, we won’t have enough ventilators, enough rooms,” said Dr. David De La Zerda, a respiratory specialist at Miami’s Jackson Memorial Hospital."

"Although the majority of deaths in Central Florida are among those who are 65 years and older, two people in their mid-30s died from COVID-19 infection last week in Seminole County."

5 Central Florida hospitals hit ICU capacity
 
Phantasmal said:
A Dr. is talking this morning on local news that even though the number of deaths are down, people as young as 20 are going to have long term health problems due to COVID.
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A lot of medical experts are coming to see the virus as less a respiratory disease and more a vascular one. It causes incredible vessel damage throughout the body, including brain and the kidneys. I have a feeling that in 5-10 years time we are going to see a spike in cardiovascular disease among people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s because of this. Hopefully I am wrong.
 
Deaths are down and ICU space is down in Florida. Thing is if you have a medical problem and you test positive-
you are a "covid case" for statistics.
The sky is not falling, despite the Chicken Little's cries- maintain social distancing/masks but the end is not near
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

ThatOwlWoman said:
A lot of medical experts are coming to see the virus as less a respiratory disease and more a vascular one. It causes incredible vessel damage throughout the body, including brain and the kidneys. I have a feeling that in 5-10 years time we are going to see a spike in cardiovascular disease among people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s because of this. Hopefully I am wrong.
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The people who are blowing this off may live to seriously regret not taking it more seriously.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
A lot of medical experts are coming to see the virus as less a respiratory disease and more a vascular one. It causes incredible vessel damage throughout the body, including brain and the kidneys. I have a feeling that in 5-10 years time we are going to see a spike in cardiovascular disease among people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s because of this. Hopefully I am wrong.
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but isn't that just "symptomatic" cases? it has to be.
It's called a cytokine storm
https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/cytokine-storm

A severe immune reaction in which the body releases too many cytokines into the blood too quickly. Cytokines play an important role in normal immune responses, but having a large amount of them released in the body all at once can be harmful. A cytokine storm can occur as a result of an infection, autoimmune condition, or other disease. It may also occur after treatment with some types of immunotherapy. Signs and symptoms include high fever, inflammation (redness and swelling), and severe fatigue and nausea. Sometimes, a cytokine storm may be severe or life threatening and lead to multiple organ failure. Also called hypercytokinemia.
 
Arizona has fewer than 200 ICU beds available as state health officials report more than 60,000 cases of coronavirus in Arizona.

"According to Arizona Department of Health Services, as of Thursday morning, there are 63,030 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the state.

State data shows that coronavirus tests statewide are coming back at an 8.9% positive rate.

So far, 1,490 people are said to have died from coronavirus in Arizona.

There are 198 Adult Intensive Care Unit beds available in the state, or 12%, as of Wednesday, state data shows. There are currently 1,495 ICU beds, or 88%, in use."
 
Wear a mask!
One thing I have learned.
Compared to many other countries,many Americans are selfish pricks who only think about themselves.
So many don't even protect their children.
America is a washed culture.
Lead by a selfish narcissistic monster
 
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anatta said:
but isn't that just "symptomatic" cases? it has to be.
It's called a cytokine storm
https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/cytokine-storm

A severe immune reaction in which the body releases too many cytokines into the blood too quickly. Cytokines play an important role in normal immune responses, but having a large amount of them released in the body all at once can be harmful. A cytokine storm can occur as a result of an infection, autoimmune condition, or other disease. It may also occur after treatment with some types of immunotherapy. Signs and symptoms include high fever, inflammation (redness and swelling), and severe fatigue and nausea. Sometimes, a cytokine storm may be severe or life threatening and lead to multiple organ failure. Also called hypercytokinemia.
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Cytokine storm has nothing to do with what we were discussing, but thanks for your input.
 
PoliTalker said:
The CDC ICU bed capacity dashboard shows Texas and Florida at less than 70% capacity.

What the heck gives? This government reporting does not match the News Reports and quotes of local hospital officials.
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Hmm, interesting. Maybe CDC is taking *all* hospitals into consideration across a state, when in metro areas it is those hospitals that are reaching capacity? That, or their reported data lags behind by days.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Cytokine storm has nothing to do with what we were discussing, but thanks for your input.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
A lot of medical experts are coming to see the virus as less a respiratory disease and more a vascular one. It causes incredible vessel damage throughout the body, including brain and the kidneys. I have a feeling that in 5-10 years time we are going to see a spike in cardiovascular disease among people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s because of this. Hopefully I am wrong.
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so a simple infection causes this?
can you cite? because i think you are wrong
-to get this massive damage the body would have to go into a severe case, which triggers the storm.

Cite and i'll look at it. TY as well
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

ThatOwlWoman said:
Hmm, interesting. Maybe CDC is taking *all* hospitals into consideration across a state, when in metro areas it is those hospitals that are reaching capacity? That, or their reported data lags behind by days.
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I think part of what is happening is that as normal capacity is filled, hospitals create overflow capacity. The CDC counts this newly created capacity in their estimates. Essentially, the goal posts are being moved real time.
 
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