Young doctors being asked to play God

CFM said:
Which means you're making decisions that you would otherwise not make or have to make if the level of resources was capable of handling the incident. Sounds to me like this doctor isn't cut out to handle the job unless there's smooth waters. Perhaps she should change professions.
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First part was correct but then you went off the rails because you can't comprehend the situation.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Yeah...if two people came in and only one ventilator was available.

But this was a guy ON A VENTILATOR...a guy who had been on it BEFORE coming into hospital.

Do you think it appropriate to just take it from him...and give it to someone else?

And do you think it appropriate to give the power to do that to a doctor...with no restrictions?

What if the second patient is the doctor's brother?

This is a very nebulous area, Jack. Time for the powers that be...to do some serious thinking.
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If he's old like you, then yeah. Bye Boomer....
 
Jack said:
Baptist Hospital on Napoleon Avenue. Hurricane Katrina. Surrounded by a sea of water. No water. No food. Back up Generators under water. ... which Patients are gently put out of their Sufferings?
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Beats the shit out of me.
 
CFM said:
The doctor is the one whining about having to make such decisions. Perhaps she isn't very good at what she does.
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Whining is a matter of perspective, but they aren't trained for combat triage. Thanks for backpedaling on your previous claim. Understandable since you didn't have a clue on what Combat Triage was until I posted it.

CFM said:
Clearly, DU doesn't understand that triage in this type situation isn't the same as how things would be done otherwise.
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CFM said:
Don't make the mistake of thinking what you do. It's a sign of arrogance.

Wannabes like you couldn't handle such situations. You'd shit your pants and become a liability.
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Since I'm retired military and you are the wannabe, I agree that you'd shit your pants and become a liability in the real thing.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Beats the shit out of me.
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Tough decision.

"The smell of death was overpowering the moment a relief worker cracked open one of the hospital chapel’s wooden doors. Inside, more than a dozen bodies lay motionless on low cots and on the ground, shrouded in white sheets. Here, a wisp of gray hair peeked out. There, a knee was flung akimbo. A pallid hand reached across a blue gown.
Within days, the grisly tableau became the focus of an investigation into what happened when the floodwaters of Hurricane Katrina marooned Memorial Medical Center in Uptown New Orleans. The hurricane knocked out power and running water and sent the temperatures inside above 100 degrees. Still, investigators were surprised at the number of bodies in the makeshift morgue and were stunned when health care workers charged that a well-regarded doctor and two respected nurses had hastened the deaths of some patients by injecting them with lethal doses of drugs. Mortuary workers eventually carried 45 corpses from Memorial, more than from any comparable-size hospital in the drowned city."
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/magazine/30doctors.html
 
Jack said:
Tough decision.

"The smell of death was overpowering the moment a relief worker cracked open one of the hospital chapel’s wooden doors. Inside, more than a dozen bodies lay motionless on low cots and on the ground, shrouded in white sheets. Here, a wisp of gray hair peeked out. There, a knee was flung akimbo. A pallid hand reached across a blue gown.
Within days, the grisly tableau became the focus of an investigation into what happened when the floodwaters of Hurricane Katrina marooned Memorial Medical Center in Uptown New Orleans. The hurricane knocked out power and running water and sent the temperatures inside above 100 degrees. Still, investigators were surprised at the number of bodies in the makeshift morgue and were stunned when health care workers charged that a well-regarded doctor and two respected nurses had hastened the deaths of some patients by injecting them with lethal doses of drugs. Mortuary workers eventually carried 45 corpses from Memorial, more than from any comparable-size hospital in the drowned city."
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/magazine/30doctors.html
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Tough situation.

https://www.npr.org/2013/09/10/220687231/during-katrina-memorial-doctors-chose-who-lived-who-died
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Tough situation.

https://www.npr.org/2013/09/10/220687231/during-katrina-memorial-doctors-chose-who-lived-who-died
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Exactly. Overnight, you went from the 21st century ... to the 12th century.

"The staff had to decide who to save, and in a new book, Five Days at Memorial, writer and physician Sheri Fink reconstructs the choices they made. She tells NPR's Steve Inskeep about the sickest-last evacuation system they put in place, and how some doctors hastened their patients' deaths."
from your link.
 
Jackoff said:
"The staff had to decide who to save, and in a new book, Five Days at Memorial, writer and physician Sheri Fink reconstructs the choices they made. She tells NPR's Steve Inskeep about the sickest-last evacuation system they put in place, and how some doctors hastened their patients' deaths." .
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More emotional bullshit from a woman with a book to sell?
 
Jack said:
Exactly. Overnight, you went from the 21st century ... to the 12th century.

"The staff had to decide who to save, and in a new book, Five Days at Memorial, writer and physician Sheri Fink reconstructs the choices they made. She tells NPR's Steve Inskeep about the sickest-last evacuation system they put in place, and how some doctors hastened their patients' deaths."
from your link.
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As VP Pence's COVID-19 team has been warning us for weeks, our nation is going to have a very big problem once the number of cases exceeds our nation's capacity to treat them. The "combat triage" scenario in the OP will playout again and again across the nation unless solutions are found. The idiots can deny all they want but the reality will be the body count.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
As VP Pence's COVID-19 team has been warning us for weeks, our nation is going to have a very big problem once the number of cases exceeds our nation's capacity to treat them. The "combat triage" scenario in the OP will playout again and again across the nation unless solutions are found. The idiots can deny all they want but the reality will be the body count.
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I'm not sure which is worse, the 'body count' or the hit on the 'Economy'?
 
Jack said:
I'm not sure which is worse, the 'body count' or the hit on the 'Economy'?
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Money can be remade, human beings, individuals can never be replaced. Funny how the "all lives are sacred/anti-abortion" mob is the same one screaming about their stock prices and how the economy should come first.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Money can be remade, human beings, individuals can never be replaced. Funny how the "all lives are sacred/anti-abortion" mob is the same one screaming about their stock prices and how the economy should come first.
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I hate to use this, but it's kind of an analogy.
If a Soldier gets killed on the Battlefield, the fight continues. If a Soldier is wounded on the Battlefield, it takes a couple of other Soldiers to tend to him.

So, when I mention 'body count', I'm talking about 'Dead People'. They're not a problem anymore.
The problem is the 'wounded' (infected) that are using up a huge amount of resources and grinding the Economy to a halt.

They are BOTH bad, but which is worse ... Elderly people with underlying conditions dying ... or infected people consuming all of the country's resources?
 
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