Probably not one that hates him...
China Lied About Coronavirus, Putting World in Jeopardy, U.S. Intelligence Agents Say
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Probably not one that hates him...
Earl I did not say that the USA put the world in danger, I said that notwithstanding China's role, Trump was very negligent in the way that he dealt with the covid-19 situation.
Sure, but the "Deep State", meaning the career professionals, the Americans who do the actual work, are still there same as four years ago.
We'll see.
If it turns out that we suffer greater loss of life...and a greater loss in the economy...
...will you attribute that to...uhhhh...what?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Agreed on the dedicated healthcare workers. Vice President Pence has consistently looked very Presidential throughout this mess.
You think there's an ounce of truth in old man Yank's rants?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
It would be silly to put it all on Trump. He's the President, but Congress approves the budgets, the tax rates and the funding of agencies. I'd put over 90% of the blame on Congress but since it's easier to blame one fucking moron than 535 fucking morons, people often either give the President all of the credit or all of the blame. That's not reality. That's not the way it works now or since George Washington.
Still obsessed with me.
It must be torture for you.
Anyway...I am not senile...not by a long shot. But I doubt Trump would invite me to play either. I was responding to what RB was saying.
Does everything have to be spelled out for you?
I do not hate Trump. I hate the fact that he is sitting in the Oval Office making America worse than it was.
He should live up to his campaign promise of the last election to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
He should resign. That would do the job.
Hopefully, the change at the leadership positions will remind those below that they can be replaced too.
It’s better to have the Deep State leadership gone than they remain.
No, I don’t.
Hope and change have never worked before.
What the left/media was doing did not prevent Trump from taking actions to prevent China from biting us in the ass. What should he have done?
Congress basically approves the budget submitted by the president with relatively few changes (70% is fixed).
Trump wasn’t president before.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Thereby proving Congress is to blame. Trump can submit whatever he likes, but Congress controls both the legislation and the purse strings. Trump cannot sign a budget without Congress approving it first. Call Congress spineless, cowardly, kowtowing, whatever you like but they are also completely responsible for the budget regardless who wrote it in the first place.
/MSG/
Uwaa OmO
I'm genuinely asking, what other realistic alternative is there than what I'm saying will happen?
I'm not a clairvoyant. Are you?
bullshit Frank. You are a pain in the ass, you don't say anything but a daily rant.
Your "discussion"is just the same old rag
Centerleftfl
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JAN8, CHINA completed genome of VIRUS and posted it OPEN SOURCE 29days post WUHAN appearance. US media started writing about the same. I read this several days ago and the MORE THE LIES about 'CHINA' not telling us that show up from TRUMP, RW MEDIA (and this board) the more I call BULLSHIT.
The scientific community, so I'll assume the MEDICAL community, had access to the data on 1/8/2020, 29 days after he showed up in WUHAN in a unique 'pneumonia'. China sequenced the genome and posted it OPEN SOURCE on FEB 8. The date of this article is 2 weeks later with PICTURES from the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MED so they had access to it. A Scottish virologist HEAPED PRAISE on the CHINESE at how fast they sequenced the virus...
CHINA DIDN'T TELL US ANYTHING??? I think it is very safe to assume in CHINA, SCIENTISTS did not put this all OUT in a vacuum or in a pique of revolutionary independence. GOVERNMENTAL approval? You bet your ass!
So let me REITERATE, I CALL BULLSHIT! Heaping stinking piles of DEADLY bullshit from the ADMINISTRATION, RW wing media and members of this board!
STATNEWS - (Scientific journal owned by the BOSTON GLOBE -- US)
DNA sleuths read the coronavirus genome, tracing its origins and looking for dangerous mutations
By SHARON BEGLEY @sxbegle
JANUARY 24, 2020
2019-nCoV
Electron micrographs of isolated 2019-nCoV particles (left), and in cells from human airways (right), marked with arrows.
THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE
As infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists race to contain the outbreak of the novel coronavirus centered on Wuhan, China, they’re getting backup that’s been possible only since the explosion in genetic technologies: a deep-dive into the genome of the virus known as 2019-nCoV.
Analyses of the viral genome are already providing clues to the origins of the outbreak and even possible ways to treat the infection, a need that is becoming more urgent by the day: Early on Saturday in China, health officials reported 15 new fatalities in a single day, bringing the death toll to 41. There are now nearly 1,100 confirmed cases there.
Reading the genome (which is made of RNA, not DNA) also allows researchers to monitor how 2019-nCoV is changing and provides a roadmap for developing a diagnostic test and a vaccine.
“The genetics can tell us the true timing of the first cases” and whether they occurred earlier than officials realized, said molecular biologist Kristian Andersen of Scripps Research, an expert on viral genomes. “It can also tell us how the outbreak started — from a single event of a virus jumping from an infected animal to a person or from a lot of animals being infected. And the genetics can tell us what’s sustaining the outbreak — new introductions from animals or human-to-human transmission.”
Scientists in China sequenced the virus’s genome and made it available on Jan. 10, just a month after the Dec. 8
report of the first case of pneumonia from an unknown virus in Wuhan.
In contrast, after the SARS outbreak began in late 2002, it took scientists much longer to sequence that coronavirus. It peaked in February 2003 — and the complete genome of 29,727 nucleotides wasn’t sequenced until that April.
Support STAT: STAT is offering coverage of the coronavirus for free. Please consider a subscription to support our journalism. Start free trial today.
Since the sequencing of the first 2019-nCoV sample, from an early patient, scientists have completed nearly two dozen more, said Andrew Rambaut of the University of Edinburgh, an expert on viral evolution. That pace is “unprecedented and completely unbelievable,” said Andersen, who worked on sequencing the Ebola genome during the 2014 outbreak. “It’s just insane.”
The genome of the Wuhan virus is 29,903 bases long, one of many clues that have led scientists to believe it is very similar to SARS.
By comparing the two dozen genomes, scientists can address the “when did this start” question. The 24 available samples, including from Thailand and Shenzhen as well as Wuhan, show “very limited genetic variation,” Rambaut concluded on an online discussion forum where virologists have been sharing data and analyses. “This is indicative of a relatively recent common ancestor for all these viruses.”...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/24...navirus-genome-tracing-origins-and-mutations/
The scientific community, so I'll assume the MEDICAL community, had access to the data on 1/8/2020, 29 days after he showed up in WUHAN in a unique 'pneumonia'. China sequenced the genome and posted it OPEN SOURCE on FEB 8. The date of this article is 2 weeks later with PICTURES from the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MED so they had access to it. A Scottish virologist HEAPED PRAISE on the CHINESE at how fast they sequenced the virus...
That pace is “unprecedented and completely unbelievable,” said Andersen, who worked on sequencing
the Ebola genome during the 2014 outbreak. “It’s just insane.”
the Ebola genome during the 2014 outbreak. “It’s just insane.”
CHINA DIDN'T TELL US ANYTHING??? I think it is very safe to assume in CHINA, SCIENTISTS did not put this all OUT in a vacuum or in a pique of revolutionary independence. GOVERNMENTAL approval? You bet your ass!
So let me REITERATE, I CALL BULLSHIT! Heaping stinking piles of DEADLY bullshit from the ADMINISTRATION, RW wing media and members of this board!
STATNEWS - (Scientific journal owned by the BOSTON GLOBE -- US)
DNA sleuths read the coronavirus genome, tracing its origins and looking for dangerous mutations
By SHARON BEGLEY @sxbegle
JANUARY 24, 2020
2019-nCoV
Electron micrographs of isolated 2019-nCoV particles (left), and in cells from human airways (right), marked with arrows.
THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE
As infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists race to contain the outbreak of the novel coronavirus centered on Wuhan, China, they’re getting backup that’s been possible only since the explosion in genetic technologies: a deep-dive into the genome of the virus known as 2019-nCoV.
Analyses of the viral genome are already providing clues to the origins of the outbreak and even possible ways to treat the infection, a need that is becoming more urgent by the day: Early on Saturday in China, health officials reported 15 new fatalities in a single day, bringing the death toll to 41. There are now nearly 1,100 confirmed cases there.
Reading the genome (which is made of RNA, not DNA) also allows researchers to monitor how 2019-nCoV is changing and provides a roadmap for developing a diagnostic test and a vaccine.
“The genetics can tell us the true timing of the first cases” and whether they occurred earlier than officials realized, said molecular biologist Kristian Andersen of Scripps Research, an expert on viral genomes. “It can also tell us how the outbreak started — from a single event of a virus jumping from an infected animal to a person or from a lot of animals being infected. And the genetics can tell us what’s sustaining the outbreak — new introductions from animals or human-to-human transmission.”
Scientists in China sequenced the virus’s genome and made it available on Jan. 10, just a month after the Dec. 8
report of the first case of pneumonia from an unknown virus in Wuhan.
In contrast, after the SARS outbreak began in late 2002, it took scientists much longer to sequence that coronavirus. It peaked in February 2003 — and the complete genome of 29,727 nucleotides wasn’t sequenced until that April.
Support STAT: STAT is offering coverage of the coronavirus for free. Please consider a subscription to support our journalism. Start free trial today.
Since the sequencing of the first 2019-nCoV sample, from an early patient, scientists have completed nearly two dozen more, said Andrew Rambaut of the University of Edinburgh, an expert on viral evolution. That pace is “unprecedented and completely unbelievable,” said Andersen, who worked on sequencing the Ebola genome during the 2014 outbreak. “It’s just insane.”
The genome of the Wuhan virus is 29,903 bases long, one of many clues that have led scientists to believe it is very similar to SARS.
By comparing the two dozen genomes, scientists can address the “when did this start” question. The 24 available samples, including from Thailand and Shenzhen as well as Wuhan, show “very limited genetic variation,” Rambaut concluded on an online discussion forum where virologists have been sharing data and analyses. “This is indicative of a relatively recent common ancestor for all these viruses.”...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/24...navirus-genome-tracing-origins-and-mutations/
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