If you're not a health expert

Earl said:
I have posted two links...so has Legion.

If you don’t want to accept the fact that open borders is advocated by them (AOC and Omar) and is in the Democrat platform...
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Unlike you and Leggiecrite I can't support a lie. If you can show these people saying explicitly that they want open borders, I'll take back my words.
 
christiefan915 said:
What makes you think it's slowed down? We went from one to 2000+ in a few weeks.

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By stopping travelers from global hotspots, Trump likely prevented more infected carriers from accelerating the spread of the foreign virus in the USA. That means the spread of the virus from abroad was slowed.

Does not include individuals repatriated to the US from Wuhan, China, and from the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

How many of those infected patients passed the virus to others?

Fun fact: an Obama holdover in the State Department authorized the repatriation of known carriers despite the president's travel ban and without authorization from him.
 
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
 
Legion said:
https://www.democracywithoutborders.org/4421/seven-reasons-why-there-should-be-open-borders/

Now, dance!
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:rolleyes: I already showed you that this is a European writing about Europe. She doesn't say a single word about the southern border of the US.

An International Network

Democracy Without Borders is working with international partners and currently has chapters in four countries (Germany, Kenya, Switzerland and Sweden.) We wish to expand further to promote our cause more effectively across the world’s regions.
 
christiefan915 said:
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An open border is a border that enables free movement of people (and often of goods) between jurisdictions with few or no restrictions on movement, that is lacking substantive border control. A border may be an open border due to intentional legislation allowing free movement of people across the border (de jure), or a border may be an open border due to a lack of legal controls, a lack of adequate enforcement or adequate supervision of the border (de facto). An example of the former is the Schengen Agreement between most members of the European Economic Area (EFTA and the EU). An example of the latter has been the border between Bangladesh and India, which is becoming controlled. The term "open borders" applies only to the flow of people, not the flow of goods and services, and only to borders between political jurisdictions

Compare that your convenient redefinition. :D
 
christiefan915 said:
She doesn't say a single word about the southern border of the US.
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Nor did I. :D

christiefan915 said:
An International Network Democracy Without Borders is working with international partners and currently has chapters in four countries (Germany, Kenya, Switzerland and Sweden.) We wish to expand further to promote our cause more effectively across the world’s regions.
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International

Across the world’s regions

:thinking:

Now, do you want to deny that these people are leftists?
 
christiefan915 said:
Better to spend your time in training your new acolyte in logical fallacies, leggiecrite.
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I'll be the arbiter of what I do and when, not you.

I hate to leave a job unfinished, so I think it better to continue my education of Y O U, dancin' Duchess of Double standards. :D
 
Earl said:
Miss Marple, do you recall our posts about Castilian Spanish?

I finally convinced you that verb conjugation has zero connection to dialect.

Remember?

Do the right thing, apologize to Legion for falsely calling him a liar.

It’s the right thing to do and you should always do the right thing, even if the stars fall, do the right thing.
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Mr. Earl. Leggiecrite should apologize to moi for all his lies. I posted a video of AOC being asked the open borders question directly and she did not answer in the affirmative, so it was a lie to say she supports them.
 
I thought I'd leave this article for you people that seem unconcerned about the COVID19 virus.


https://www.newsweek.com/young-unaf...l1YEiCs3vxI4A8BsQyH2yVizGCMwqS3d2Z4gBo8pYSnrs


YOUNG AND UNAFRAID OF THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC? GOOD FOR YOU. NOW STOP KILLING PEOPLE | OPINION



m a doctor in a major hospital in Western Europe. Watching you Americans (and you, Brits) in these still-early days of the coronavirus pandemic is like watching a familiar horror movie, where the protagonists, yet again, split into pairs or decide to take a tour of a dark basement.

The real-life versions of this behavior are pretending this is just a flu; keeping schools open; following through with your holiday travel plans, and going into the office daily. This is what we did in Italy. We were so complacent that even when people with coronavirus symptoms started turning up, we wrote each off as a nasty case of the flu. We kept the economy going, pointed fingers at China and urged tourists to keep traveling. And the majority of us told ourselves and each other: this isn't so bad. We're young, we're fit, we'll be fine even if we catch it.

Fast-forward two months, and we are drowning. Statistically speaking—judging by the curve in China—we are not even at the peak yet, but our fatality rate is at over 6 percent, double the known global average.

Put aside statistics. Here is how it looks in practice. Most of my childhood friends are now doctors working in north Italy. In Milan, in Bergamo, in Padua, they are having to choose between intubating a 40-year-old with two kids, a 40-year old who is fit and healthy with no co-morbidities, and a 60-year-old with high blood pressure, because they don't have enough beds. In the hallway, meanwhile, there are another 15 people waiting who are already hardly breathing and need oxygen.

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The army is trying to bring some of them to other regions with helicopters but it's not enough: the flow is just too much, too many people are getting sick at the same time.

We are still awaiting the peak of the epidemic in Europe: probably early April for Italy, mid-April for Germany and Switzerland, somewhere around that time for the UK. In the U.S., the infection has only just begun.

But until we're past the peak, the only solution is to impose social restrictions.

And if your government is hesitating, these restrictions are up to you. Stay put. Do not travel. Cancel that family reunion, the promotion party and the big night out. This really sucks, but these are special times. Don't take risks. Do not go to places where you are more than 20 people in the same room. It's not safe and it's not worth it.

But why the urgency, if most people survive?

Here's why: Fatality is the wrong yardstick. Catching the virus can mess up your life in many, many more ways than just straight-up killing you. "We are all young"—okay. "Even if we get the bug, we will survive"—fantastic. How about needing four months of physical therapy before you even feel human again. Or getting scar tissue in your lungs and having your activity level restricted for the rest of your life. Not to mention having every chance of catching another bug in hospital, while you're being treated or waiting to get checked with an immune system distracted even by the false alarm of an ordinary flu. No travel for leisure or business is worth this risk.

Now, odds are, you might catch coronavirus and might not even get symptoms. Great. Good for you. Very bad for everyone else, from your own grandparents to the random older person who got on the subway train a stop or two after you got off. You're fine, you're barely even sneezing or coughing, but you're walking around and you kill a couple of old ladies without even knowing it. Is that fair? You tell me.

My personal as well as professional view: we all have a duty to stay put, except for very special reasons, like, you go to work because you work in healthcare, or you have to save a life and bring someone to hospital, or go out to shop for food so you can survive. But when we get to this stage of a pandemic, it's really important not to spread the bug. The only thing that helps is social restriction. Ideally, the government should issue that instruction and provide a financial fallback—compensate business owners, ease the financial load on everyone as much as possible and reduce the incentive of risking your life or the lives of others just to make ends meet. But if your government or company is slow on the uptake, don't be that person. Take responsibility. For all but essential movement, restrict yourself.

This is epidemiology 101. It really sucks. It is extreme—but luckily, we don't have pandemics of this violence every year. So sit it out. Stay put. Don't travel. It is absolutely not worth it.

It's the civic and moral duty of every person, everywhere, to take part in the global effort to reduce this threat to humanity. To postpone any movement or travel that are not vitally essential, and to spread the disease as little as possible. Have your fun in June, July and August when this—hopefully—is over. Stay safe. Good luck.

The author is a senior doctor in a major European hospital. She asked to remain anonymous because she has not been authorized to speak to the press.

As told to Dimi Reider.
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Legion said:
I'll be the arbiter of what I do and when, not you.

I hate to leave a job unfinished, so I think it better to continue my education of Y O U, dancin' Duchess of Double standards. :D
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When caught in bed by your spouse with someone who is not your spouse, just deny it.

Sound familiar to some of the posts here?
 
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