i didn't answer your question - I made a statement that NATO expansion would be like a Russian enterprise on our border.
Russia's Smart and Strong Leader at the G20
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Fentoine Lum
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Cucked on the world stage, the art of the squeal.
Fentoine Lum
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What would our over 1000 military bases in over 80 other nations and our 7 hot generational shooting wars in majority muslim countries be like?
montgomery
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I think you would be surprised to know how many Republican supporters detest Trump now and have to hold their tongues for the good of the party. Take this as the sure indication that Trump will be taken down noiselessly by Mueller and the FBI. For the good of the Republican party, the Democratic party, and the country.
Mueller will have a mechanism already in place to limit Trump's damage to America for the nest two years. Trump's psychopathy will not throw his family to the wolves. He's going to behave himself for the next two years or his family is taken down too.
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The Kennedy solution. Americans can bet on one way or another. It may still not be clear to 'all' Americans but it's crystal clear to the rest of the world.
Saddam used to hold elections, and got over 98% of the vote.
Putin's former KGB. He has skillfully engineered his public support.
President #41 / GHWB was former CIA. But Bush didn't rub out journalists that questioned his leadership.
That's not entirely false.
But as Putin has chosen to set Russia as an adversary, as antagonist to the West, to NATO, & to the E.U., Putin had earned the vast majority of the blame. His annexation of Crimea for obvious example, demonstrates territorial conquest is a higher priority than improving Russian military and trade relations with the West.
I'm not the originator of the contradiction. That's Putin.
Putin wants to be welcomed as a peaceful partner. But Putin wants to acquire this acceptance, this unity with such policies as Russia has demonstrated in Crimea, in Ukraine, and in Syria.
Putin's approach to gaining favor with the west reminds me of a plaque on George Will's office wall. The flogging will continue until the morale improves. For you see m #20, reductio ad absurdum, Vlad Putin is actually at war with himself. And those paying the penalty are Russians, whose elevation to Western standards is still being actively retarded by Putin's lust for petty power.
"... a tight grip is actually a sign of a weak hand."
President William Jefferson Clinton 99/04/07 C-SPAN
Fentoine Lum
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Gee, that last one would be too bad.
montgomery
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If you're incapable of understanding that Putin has a legitimate 80% support then you're not worth my time to debate. That's too bad because you seemed to be somewhat above the rest of the mindless rabble. Are you sure you don't want to research the question so that we can continue? I'm not here to bullshit or lie to anyone and if I do then I expect to be called on it. It's up to you now.
montgomery
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If you're incapable of understanding that Putin has a legitimate 80% support then you're not worth my time to debate. That's too bad because you seemed to be somewhat above the rest of the mindless rabble. Are you sure you don't want to research the question so that we can continue? I'm not here to bullshit or lie to anyone and if I do then I expect to be called on it. It's up to you now.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...87e721fb231_story.html?utm_term=.c541d9b6524e
Tranquillus in Exile
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Speaking as one of the mindless rabble, I'm puzzled: if Putin craves acceptance as a member of the rules-based international order, why does he keep assassinating people?
And if you're incapable of understanding that a former Soviet, former totalitarian, former KGB agent that's jiggered his own nation's rules to cling to power past the time he'd have otherwise term-limited out, that any such leader whose non-supporters have such a high attrition rate, whose well known record for military adventurism is a familiar ruse to boost domestic popular support by presenting the outside world as a hostile, malicious place; if you're incapable of understanding that under those conditions and much more there's no such thing as "a legitimate 80% support" then you're wasting your time and mine.
BUT !!
I understand your "reasoning" pattern perfectly. You presume that because I'm wiser than you and therefore have reached a more appropriate conclusion, that since my correct conclusion doesn't agree with your incorrect conclusion, that I am wrong, and you are right.
Sober up.
cancel2 2022
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This has to be Moontwat's sock puppet!
I'm sure you're familiar with Pax Americana? It's the world order we set up as the lone superpower after WWII.
21 st century Chinese hegemony( S. China Sea, etc.) is a good reason for it to continue.
Even China's BRI initiative is set up to keep China as the central power, since they are in it literally to establish their own world order replacing the existing.
like anything else China does - it does it because it benefits China - not any trade partners
( unless by incidental coincidence)
I'm completely with you on the middle east however. Our naval base for the 5th fleet is one thing-
Syrian land troops are completely different - and bad news.
Syria is a Russian client state as well -why are we even there? The standard response is to "check Iran"
but that's ludicrous. we are never going to get into a shooting war with Qods force or even Shi'a militias.
Also our interests like meddling in Syria,or the great disaster of Libya interventionism/regime change
comes from our arrogance we can manipulate states to our advantages.
Of course it never works out that way - again Libya/Iraq being the prime examples
Fentoine Lum
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MBS and Putin, high fiving their cucking of Don and america on the world stage.
Looks to me like Trump caved to China.
The problem is you have a habit of prematurely spiking the ball in the end zone, and exaggerating, overplaying, and hyping Trump's ability to conduct international negotiations and agreements.
I mean, Trump basically made you look like a fool when you prematurely spiked the ball in the end zone on his overhyped and largely meaningless attempts to reign in North Korea.
caved?? ROFL.
even the G-20 members agreed on WTO reforms ( read China as a "developing country" terms)!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ff60061c63b
Trump and Xi agreed to “immediately” begin talks on Chinese industrial policies, including coercive licensing of U.S. technology, trade secret theft and non-tariff trade barriers.
Xi as saying he is “open to approving” Qualcomm’s $44 billion takeover of NXP Semiconductors, which the American company had abandoned in July after failing to secure Chinese regulatory approvals
China purchases of what the White House called a “very substantial” amount of American farm, energy and industrial goods.
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you would recall Trump said FROM THE VERY BEGINNING-
he can't make Kim Jong-un do anything. he can only use carrots and sticks.
If Trump is guilty of hyperbole about stopping missile threats (etc.) i'll give him a pass considering that even Obama said NK was the biggest threat facing the US when Trump came in.
certainly the situation is much better if not solved
Doesn't change the fact that you have a history of prematurely spiking the football, and declaring premature victory for Trump.
I think Trump is an incompetent dunce, who is easily played. So, once again, you should be more deliberative before doing a victory dance for Trump - by keeping in mind how foolish your North Korean victory dances look in hindsight.
actually I myself do not. While I certainly celebrated the reductions in tensions, stopping of missile testing and other promises; I' ve said from the very beginning NK could just be stalling-
stringing it out to get past Trump
I know you don't want to hear this but: Trump is setting up some long gains with China, NK.
Remember please these are long term problems dropped into his lap by inaction and poor choices by previous POTUS.
Trump is doing everything possible to solve and mitigate them -whether you hate Trump or not,
that should be recognized
a #38
Trump is a buffoon.
"Nobody knows the system better than me." "Which is why I alone can fix it." presidential candidate Trump 16/07/21 from the campaign podium
And then again after our Republican controlled government failed at their long-promised "repeal & replace":
“Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated.” President Trump
Trump is a buffoon.
"Nobody knows the system better than me." "Which is why I alone can fix it." presidential candidate Trump 16/07/21 from the campaign podium
And then again after our Republican controlled government failed at their long-promised "repeal & replace":
“Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated.” President Trump