Michigan Rs email show gerrymandering plans

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WASHINGTON — Newly disclosed emails show Michigan Republicans angling to give their party a dominant position through gerrymandered maps and celebrating the plight of their Democratic rivals.
Republicans in the state have denied that they sought partisan gain when they drew new legislative boundaries in 2011. But a federal lawsuit, which argues the maps are unconstitutional, has unearthed records showing Republicans intent on drawing boundaries that would help their party.
 
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WASHINGTON — Newly disclosed emails show Michigan Republicans angling to give their party a dominant position through gerrymandered maps and celebrating the plight of their Democratic rivals.
Republicans in the state have denied that they sought partisan gain when they drew new legislative boundaries in 2011. But a federal lawsuit, which argues the maps are unconstitutional, has unearthed records showing Republicans intent on drawing boundaries that would help their party.
 
The emails, disclosed in a filing on Monday, boast of concentrating “Dem garbage” into four of the five southeast Michigan districts that Democrats now control, and of packing African-Americans into a metropolitan Detroit House district. One email likened a fingerlike extension they created in one Democratic district map to an obscene gesture toward its congressman, Representative Sander M. Levin.
“Perfect. It’s giving the finger to Sandy Levin,” the author of the message wrote. “I love it.”
 
But the email excerpts disclose that Republican drafters wanted to create a map that would give the party 10 House seats and Democrats only four. That would have been too blatant, wrote Robert LaBrant, a Republican strategist, longtime executive at the Michigan Chamber of Commerce and a recognized expert at drawing political maps.
“We needed for legal and PR purposes a good looking map that did not look like an obvious gerrymander,” Mr. LaBrant wrote in May 2011 to Jeff Timmer, a consultant to the drafting process. Contacted by telephone, both men declined to comment because they are likely witnesses in the lawsuit.
 
evince said:
WASHINGTON — Newly disclosed emails show Michigan Republicans angling to give their party a dominant position through gerrymandered maps and celebrating the plight of their Democratic rivals.
Republicans in the state have denied that they sought partisan gain when they drew new legislative boundaries in 2011. But a federal lawsuit, which argues the maps are unconstitutional, has unearthed records showing Republicans intent on drawing boundaries that would help their party.

But the email excerpts disclose that Republican drafters wanted to create a map that would give the party 10 House seats and Democrats only four. That would have been too blatant, wrote Robert LaBrant, a Republican strategist, longtime executive at the Michigan Chamber of Commerce and a recognized expert at drawing political maps.
“We needed for legal and PR purposes a good looking map that did not look like an obvious gerrymander,” Mr. LaBrant wrote in May 2011 to Jeff Timmer, a consultant to the drafting process. Contacted by telephone, both men declined to comment because they are likely witnesses in the lawsuit.
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It is just part and parcel of the same problem demonstrated here at the state-level, that we see in microcosm at the message board-scale. Republicans have an affinity for deception, nefarious schemes, lying, and they have an innate hostility to democracy, and work relentlessly to undermine free and fair elections and to thwart the will of the people.

When you get right down to it, anti-democratic authoritarian dictators like Vladimir Putin could learn a thing or two from the Republican party.
 
gerrymandering is such an ugly word. Think of it instead as we are protecting the electorate from themselves. If they are dumb enough to vote democrat then they shouldnt really vote at all.

Its like Trump said during the campaign. (paraphrase) "I know im expected to say that you should vote even if you vote for my opponent but if your not going to vote for me then just stay home"
 
tsuke said:
gerrymandering is such an ugly word. Think of it instead as we are protecting the electorate from themselves. If they are dumb enough to vote democrat then they shouldnt really vote at all.

Its like Trump said during the campaign. (paraphrase) "I know im expected to say that you should vote even if you vote for my opponent but if your not going to vote for me then just stay home"
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you are one pathetic troll
 
evince said:
these people are dead in the water
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You're right; we're on it. Check this out.

"Voters Not Politicians’ mission is to end gerrymandering by 2018 through a citizen led ballot initiative. We have collected the required 315,654 valid signatures in 180 days, that will secure a spot in the November 6, 2018 election as a ballot measure. With a simple majority vote from the voters of Michigan, we will amend Michigan’s constitution to place an Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission in charge of redistricting, ensuring that voters will choose their politicians, not the other way around."

https://www.votersnotpoliticians.com/thesolution
 
Who gets to appoint your independent commission? California's is loaded down with democrats--democrats who gerrymander the state
 
Kacper said:
Who gets to appoint your independent commission? California's is loaded down with democrats--democrats who gerrymander the state
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You can read the link.

"Voters, Not Politicians: An Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission (ICRC) will be in charge of the redistricting process. The Commission will be made up of 4 Democrats, 4 Republicans, and 5 voters who affiliate with neither party with representation from across the state. Political insiders (politicians, consultants, lobbyists) will be banned from serving on the Commission. Read more about how the Commissioners are selected here.


"Transparency: Instead of secret closed door meetings, the ICRC is required to conduct its business in public hearings that are open to input from across the state. All proposed maps and the methodology/data to create them must be submitted as public reports. Everything down to the variables used by the computers to draw the maps will be available to the public. Read more about how the proposal maximizes transparency, promotes meaningful public participation, and ensures independent decision-making here.

"Fairness: The fairness of any idea to reform partisan voting maps comes down to how the maps themselves end up being drawn. The ICRC is required to follow a prioritized set of criteria and standards when drawing the maps. A minimum of 2 Democrats, 2 Republicans, and 2 voters who affiliate with neither party on the Commission must approve the final maps. This prevents one political party from controlling the process. Read more about how maps are drawn here."
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You can read the link.

"Voters, Not Politicians: An Independent Citizens Redistricting Commission (ICRC) will be in charge of the redistricting process. The Commission will be made up of 4 Democrats, 4 Republicans, and 5 voters who affiliate with neither party with representation from across the state. Political insiders (politicians, consultants, lobbyists) will be banned from serving on the Commission. Read more about how the Commissioners are selected here.


"Transparency: Instead of secret closed door meetings, the ICRC is required to conduct its business in public hearings that are open to input from across the state. All proposed maps and the methodology/data to create them must be submitted as public reports. Everything down to the variables used by the computers to draw the maps will be available to the public. Read more about how the proposal maximizes transparency, promotes meaningful public participation, and ensures independent decision-making here.

"Fairness: The fairness of any idea to reform partisan voting maps comes down to how the maps themselves end up being drawn. The ICRC is required to follow a prioritized set of criteria and standards when drawing the maps. A minimum of 2 Democrats, 2 Republicans, and 2 voters who affiliate with neither party on the Commission must approve the final maps. This prevents one political party from controlling the process. Read more about how maps are drawn here."
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Still doesn't say who gets to decide as far as its weighted application process. If you want to end gerrymandering you have to take the demographics completely out of it. It needs to be done based on population numbers alone and some agreed upon metric as far as the geography. Anything else, is gerrymandering by another name.
 
Kacper said:
Still doesn't say who gets to decide as far as its weighted application process. If you want to end gerrymandering you have to take the demographics completely out of it. It needs to be done based on population numbers alone and some agreed upon metric as far as the geography. Anything else, is gerrymandering by another name.
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I'd like to see it done completely dispassionately with computer programs and grids, rather than the sloppy shit we have now.

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From the link:
"All applicants who fit the criteria and who are not disqualified will go into a general pool from which 200 finalists will be randomly selected- 50% from open public applications and 50% from randomly mailed invitations. Each application will be weighted (using widely accepted statistical weighting methods) to ensure that this pool of 200 applicants mirrors the geographic and demographic makeup of the state as closely as possible. The final Commission of 13 Michigan voters will be randomly selected from the pool - 4 Republicans*, 4 Democrats*, and 5 who affiliate with neither party."
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I'd like to see it done completely dispassionately with computer programs and grids, rather than the sloppy shit we have now.

Edited to add:
From the link:
"All applicants who fit the criteria and who are not disqualified will go into a general pool from which 200 finalists will be randomly selected- 50% from open public applications and 50% from randomly mailed invitations. Each application will be weighted (using widely accepted statistical weighting methods) to ensure that this pool of 200 applicants mirrors the geographic and demographic makeup of the state as closely as possible. The final Commission of 13 Michigan voters will be randomly selected from the pool - 4 Republicans*, 4 Democrats*, and 5 who affiliate with neither party."
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I'd like to see those that complain about political gerrymandering address the majority minority districts they don't seem to have a problem existing.
 
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