Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

[Flash]

You have no evidence they did not vote. One way to determine the truth is to examine the records, and low and behold, Democrats adamantly refuse to release them. So in Trump's opinion millions are voting illegally. In your opinion they are not. Neither Trump nor you is lying about this. It is opinion, and an opinion is not a lie. See the OP.

What about the Republican states? Did they release their records or find any illegals voting? If there is any evidence the states usually report or prosecute. A legal immigrant voted in the Republican primary in Texas and in the general election (Trump lied and said all the illegal votes went to Hillary) and got a six year sentence.

It is not an opinion that millions of illegals voted unless there is some evidence to support that opinion. Calling all lies "opinions" is not proving Trump does not lie, it only shows you are not being honest about the issue.

 

[domer76]

My grammar teacher would say your paragraph was poor, and would correct it. She’d say it should have been written:

He didn’t say that, and if he did, he didn’t mean it, but if he did, you wouldn’t have understood it, and even if you had, it would not have been a big deal, but if it was; others have said worse.​

I count about 21 mistakes. Out of 37 words 21 mistakes is about 57%.

Trump speaks about 50,000 words a day off the top of his head (probably a lot more), without a script. If you spoke 50,000 unscripted, non-memorized words in a day, according to your error rate of 57%, you would make about 28,500 mistakes per day. Wow – you’ve beaten the pants off Trump’s record!

I would say that almost all people who speak 50,000 words per day, off the top of their heads, without a script, and not using memorized speech, make untrue statements. Whether it’s Floyd Mayweather, Judy Sheindlin, Robert Downey Jr., Dr. Phil McGraw or Barrack Obama. I don't think humans can do that without making mistakes.

As a 72 year old President Trump has to say that many words every day, and his work routine is exhausting. Do you think you could say those words every day so many times and never mix them up, even when you were exhausted at the age of 72? Only in the creepy world of Fake News and TDS would anyone make a fuss over Trump’s minor mistakes.

Do you see the quote marks, dipshit? What does that tell you, moron?

Which of the latest lie do you prefer, bitch? "Would" or "wouldn't"?

BTW, Trumps 50,000 words are at the level of a 6th grader.

 

[domer76]

Okay, so I guess that means you would tell your doctors to go jump in the lake, and then die of a heart attack. Good thinking Sherlock. Would you like a POTUS to be that stupid too? Apparently you would.

No, it means that you're an idiot because nobody has called me a liar.

Our POTUS IS stupid, Einstein. You're just as stupid and unable to recognize it.

 

[Flash]

To make Larrikin happy and eliminate the problem of the definition of a lie, let's just all agree Trump has made hundreds of false statements.

 

[Flash]

You assumed Trump only meant “raise” in terms of the basic pay itself. Did you factor in inflation, the cost of living, taxes on food, gas, transport and general products and services, which he did? No.

How do you know he did that? You have no evidence. Many of the things you said were not "lies" because somebody told him it was true demonstrates he does little research before making comments. That means it is highly unlikely he factored in inflation, cost of living, etc.

He said "raise." He did not say "adjusted for inflation. However, it is highly likely that some of the other years since 1981 their raise covered inflation.

"U.S. Code dictates a rather complex equation for military pay raises, based on the Employment Cost Index, a measure compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics to track the costs of labor for businesses. Military pay increases by "the percentage (rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one percent) by which the ECI for the base quarter of the year before the preceding year exceeds the ECI for the base quarter of the second year before the preceding calendar year (if at all)". Specifically, the code states that the ECI for wages and salaries of private industry workers will be used. Essentially, when the ECI goes up, so does military pay, so that military salaries do not fall behind civilian ones. After an 11-year string of increases that slightly exceeded average private sector annual raises, Army Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel Lt. Gen. Thomas Bostick said that, "We actually think we have a surplus in terms of pay." The Department of Defense announced increases in military housing allowances, family support programs, and child care and tuition assistance for military families in the 2011 budget request, many of which outpace the base pay increase."

 

[Flash]

You have no evidence they did not vote. One way to determine the truth is to examine the records, and low and behold, Democrats adamantly refuse to release them. So in Trump's opinion millions are voting illegally. In your opinion they are not. Neither Trump nor you is lying about this. It is opinion, and an opinion is not a lie. See the OP.

OK. Trump made (another) false statement. An opinion without evidence of support is a false statement.

 

[Phantasmal]

I am and was already aware the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy’s definition – indeed I visited that same page during a search only yesterday. The problem with philosophy, especially from a Leftist University, is that we can argue about truth and objectivity about anything and everything until the cows come home, and the debate will never end. That is why we do not use their model in courts or in newspapers, or for the man in the street. When a person is accused of lying and the matter goes to court, they do not hire philosophers to debate the meaning of the word ‘lie’. They try to prove there was deliberate intent to deceive, and they are happy with that. So the general definition of ‘lie’ is all that is required here. Certainly in the realm of Fake News, with all its numerous mistakes, misquotes and mischievous editing. However, if someone wants to embark on a complex philosophical journey to debate the inner workings of a lie, they may do so. Let them put their argument forward, and may the best man win, as Plato’s neighbor’s cleaning lady used to say.

Lol, you will change your definition when applicable to a Democrat, I know your type of troll, have fun, I won’t waste my time.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

On the contrary, it is YOU that has no information to refute Trump's claim that Germany's crime rate is up. It makes perfect sense and is exactly what one would expect, and is typical of socialists in terms of the covering up of figures, and since Trump is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces with access to the United States intelligence machine, he has far more knowledge at his disposal than some anonymous username online. How dare you say your commander-in-chief is lying about such matters. Shame on you.

So once again – not a lie.

Yes I do. All the official stats show the crime rate down.

Trump said they are covering up the real stats, which makes those stats you refer to false. You are helping communist Merkel with her lie, and you are stabbing your President in the back which is treason. Compiling false stats from communist Merkel does not a liar Trump make. Learn what a lie is. As far as Trump is concerned Merkel is covering her increased crime rate over to improve her coming election results. That’s opinion, not “lying”.

 

[Flash]

Trump said they are covering up the real stats, which makes those stats you refer to false. You are helping communist Merkel with her lie, and you are stabbing your President in the back which is treason. Compiling false stats from communist Merkel does not a liar Trump make. Learn what a lie is. As far as Trump is concerned Merkel is covering her increased crime rate over to improve her coming election results. That’s opinion, not “lying”.

Provide a link where Trump said they are covering up the real stats. The U. S. stats show the same thing--that the crime rate has been declining since the early 1990s---does that mean Trump is covering up the real U. S. crime rate? Merkel is not a communist and Trump claims they have a very good relationship. Again, Trump is caught giving false information and your only defense is that Trump has "secret information" to the contrary. But he cited no stats and did not say the German stats are wrong.

People are entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. You are the only one claiming the stats are false. And calling the president on his lies is not treason--it is truth.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Where is the lie? If I say, "One day I will own Mars," it isn't a lie. It's a statement nobody can prove or disprove. He didn't put a time limit on when the wall would be built, and he didn't say when Mexico would pay. Meanwhile, religious Lefties are very patient with other promises. They've been waiting two millennium for Christ’s second coming. They wouldn’t wait a few years for Trump’s wall or for the Mexican money that will pay for it.

Priest: Never mind my daughter. One day we will all be brought to heaven.
María: But when, Padre? When?
Priest: Patience my dear. When the Second Coming is here, you will know…
María: It’s been more than 2000 years Padre!
Priest: Eez true, but Christ said he will come, so he will come...
María: Sí Padre. I just get so hungry…
Priest: I know, I know. So, any news on Trump’s wall?
María: Ay caramba! He said last week he will build it.
Priest: So where is it? ¡Que ridículo! ¡Que estúpido!
María: Sí, está loco. ¡Una idiota! There eez no wall. The hombre eez a liar!
Priest: Ju didn’t vote for heem I hope?
María: Of course not, Padre. I vote for Cleenton. Ten times.
Priest: Hokay. Next time vote twenty times.
María: Sí.

Ah well… the religious Left. What can you do?

It is a lie. You will never own Mars and Mexico will not pay for the wall. We just have to wait to prove the lie. Trump has even dropped that claim.

Trump hasn’t dropped that claim, and I didn’t say I will own Mars. I said 'If I say, "One day I will own Mars," it isn't a lie. It's a statement nobody can prove or disprove.'

In Trump’s case he said Mexico will pay for the wall, and indeed, Mexico will pay for the wall. He didn’t put a time limit on it. More importantly, even if Mexico didn’t eventually pay for it (which they will), you STILL can’t say it’s a lie unless you have the ability to get inside Trump’s head and discover his intent. If he meant what he said (which he did), then he was not lying, regardless of whether people succeed in stopping him building the wall.

This comes down to your failure to understand what a lie is in common law and in common language. Putting aside Stanford’s left winged professors of philosophy and going with the standard definition of ‘lie’, used by courts (and the media who construct your lists of alleged Trump Lies), the definition in dictionaries clearly defines a lie as having a deliberate intent to deceive. So if I promise my wife to have a picnic tomorrow, meaning it fully, believing it fully, and then tomorrow it rains, and I have to cancel, I am not a liar despite your screeching insistence I am.


Fictitious Scene: Walmart. Rob and Flash bump into each other.

Rob: Hey Flash.
Flash: How are you Rob?
Rob: Not bad. We’re going on a picnic tomorrow. Promised the wife.
Flash: That’s great. Have a great time.
Rob: Will do.

Next day: Walmart again. Rain is pouring down outside.

Flash: Hi Rob. I thought you were going on a picnic.
Rob: [points to rain outside window] Yeah, well…
Flash: So you lied?
Rob: What’s that?
Flash: You lied. You’re a filthy liar.
Rob: It’s pouring down rain outside!
Flash: You promised your wife and now you broke your promise. So you lied.
Rob: When I promised I meant it, so I wasn’t lying. Shit happens. Sometimes you have to change your plans.
Flash: Nope. You’re a liar.
Rob: Nonsense. You just don’t know the meaning of the word ‘liar’.
Flash: I do too! It’s when you say something that’s not true.
Rob: So when George Washington said, “They’ll never make a better gun than this,” about his musket, he was a liar?”
Flash: Er… yes, if he said that.
Rob: [Grabs dictionary from shelf] Look here. [flips through book]
Flash: What’s that?
Rob: It’s called a dictionary.
Flash: Okay well what does it say?
Rob: [reads] “Lie: To present false information with the intention of deceiving.”
Flash: Must be foreign.
Rob: Nope. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
Flash: Fuck.
Rob: Hey, don’t feel too bad. It’s your English teacher’s fault.
Flash: Yeah?
Rob: Did she teach any English?
Flash: Nope. Feminism, environmentalism, socialism, most of the ‘isms’.
Rob: But no English?
Flash: No, she said that was racist.
Rob: Hokay. Well, that’s why you don’t understand what a lie is.
Flash: That’s amazing. You learn something every day.
Rob: Newsflash Flash: words have definitions.
Flash: Okay, you don’t have to rub it in…

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Do you see the quote marks, dipshit? What does that tell you, moron?

Which of the latest lie do you prefer, bitch? "Would" or "wouldn't"?

BTW, Trumps 50,000 words are at the level of a 6th grader.

Look, he's got to be able to communicate with his base; to meet them where they are. Thankfully since he would rather watch TV than get up to speed on the job, he's already at a 6th grade level.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

The obvious lies that were conscious lies where the lies concerning the porn star and playboy model.

You’ll need to type out or paste the wording of the lie, along with a link. See the OP. If you can’t manage that, it says a great deal for your knowledge of this alleged lie.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Why did Trump say that he SAW "thousands and thousands of people in Jersey City" cheering on 9/11? Was he lying or deluded?

That was answered in post #132.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

What about the Republican states? Did they release their records or find any illegals voting? If there is any evidence the states usually report or prosecute. A legal immigrant voted in the Republican primary in Texas and in the general election (Trump lied and said all the illegal votes went to Hillary) and got a six year sentence.

It is not an opinion that millions of illegals voted unless there is some evidence to support that opinion. Calling all lies "opinions" is not proving Trump does not lie, it only shows you are not being honest about the issue.

Now you’re changing the subject away from “Can you find a lie Trump told” to “let’s argue about whether Democrats let millions of illegals vote”.

To repeat, regardless of whether millions of illegals vote or not, Trump believes they do. A political belief is not a “lie”. Here is the definition of belief and lie:


Belief

n.

1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.

2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.

3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.

Synonyms: belief, credence, credit, faith

These nouns denote mental acceptance of the truth, actuality, or validity of something: a statement unworthy of belief; an idea steadily gaining credence; expert testimony meriting credit; has no faith in the poorly collected data.​

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language


Lie

n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.

v.intr.

1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language


The difference between a belief and a lie is chalk and cheese. As the OP points out (to stop time wasters like you clogging up the thread), a belief is not a “lie”. Figure this out before we all die of old age.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

To make Larrikin happy and eliminate the problem of the definition of a lie, let's just all agree Trump has made hundreds of false statements.

Trump speaks about 50,000 words a day off the top of his head (probably a lot more), without a script. If you spoke 50,000 unscripted, non-memorized words in a day, how many mistakes would you make? Now do that every day, and be chased by Fake News who will misquote you every chance they get. Now try doing it when you’re 72. Now do it at 72, as President of the United States, being pounced on by reporters all day every day, and giving many speeches every day. Still think you’d manage to do it without making any errors? If so you are amazingly naïve.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Trump speaks about 50,000 words a day off the top of his head (probably a lot more), without a script. If you spoke 50,000 unscripted, non-memorized words in a day, how many mistakes would you make? Now do that every day, and be chased by Fake News who will misquote you every chance they get. Now try doing it when you’re 72. Now do it at 72, as President of the United States, being pounced on by reporters all day every day, and giving many speeches every day. Still think you’d manage to do it without making any errors? If so you are amazingly naïve.

How does any media outlet misquote a guy who you admit can't even get his own jibberish straight? No one need misquote this clown, all they have to do is quote him, he does the rest, like you just said. He can't manage the public speaking aspect of the gig. You said so yourself.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

You assumed Trump only meant “raise” in terms of the basic pay itself. Did you factor in inflation, the cost of living, taxes on food, gas, transport and general products and services, which he did? No.

As you can see here, the basic pay for entry level E-1 (with less than 4 months of active duty) in 2007 was $1,203.90 per month, or $278 per week. [place cursor over asterix].

As you can see here, the same basic E-1 pay in 2015 was $1430.40 per month, or $330 per week.

That’s a lousy increase of $52 bucks, which won’t cover inflation and the increased cost of living. $278 in 2007 would buy more than $330 in 2015. So in real terms the basic pay for enlisted servicemembers went down in that time, not up.

Aside from this Trump is doing other things to bring down the cost of living and inflation, which will make the pay worth even more again.

Trump is a businessman. He intends to give the servicemembers a real pay increase, not a pretend one, and yes, it will be the first time in a decade they’ve had that.

You assumed Trump only meant “raise” in terms of the basic pay itself. Did you factor in inflation, the cost of living, taxes on food, gas, transport and general products and services, which he did? No.

How do you know he did that? You have no evidence.

How do I know he factored in inflation, the cost of living, taxes on food, gas, transport and general products and services? He’s a billionaire businessman buddy. It’s what he does all day long. You really need to get out and smell the capitalist coffee sometime.

He said "raise." He did not say "adjusted for inflation.

He doesn’t need to say “adjusted for inflation” like some kind of government bureaucrat. He’s a flamboyant entrepreneur. They don’t talk like Vogons.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

OK. Trump made (another) false statement. An opinion without evidence of support is a false statement.

This thread isn't about false statements, which everyone makes all the time. It's about lies, which the Left insist he's told thousands of since coming to office. Show one.

So far your result is zero. Try harder.

 

[signalmankenneth]

 

[signalmankenneth]