John McShame is a real pill

Pay a little more? You gotta be kidding!
Upwards of 20 million will lose coverage.

For the umpteenth time....people have already and will in the future not take out insurance...most are young and healthy and would rather just pay a hundred bucks out of their own pocket once a year for a checkup. Everybody else has lost their insurance already because of the sky-rocketing premiums and doctors & hospitals pulling out of ACA.
 
Lovely.

Over 20 million people just kept their health insurance. McCain just saved countless lives.
except those that can't afford Obamacare.

Either block grant it back to the states,or go full Medicade expansion with SP.
I prefer the latter.
But there is no question Obamacare is crashing
 
Lovely. Over 20 million people just kept their health insurance. McCain just saved countless lives.

Is this the same McCain that DEMOCRATS claimed would destroy the world by launching a nuclear attack because of his ungovernable temper and his dementia?

That McCain? :rofl2:
 
except those that can't afford Obamacare.

Either block grant it back to the states,or go full Medicade expansion with SP.
I prefer the latter.
But there is no question Obamacare is crashing


Little Thingy Wingy claims "countless lives" were saved because he has no data, and wants to virtue signal. :rofl2:
 
except those that can't afford Obamacare.

Either block grant it back to the states,or go full Medicade expansion with SP.
I prefer the latter.
But there is no question Obamacare is crashing

They need to fix Obamacare - thought it's not "crashing" as your fake Trump news would have you believe.

But McCain is right - make it a bipartisan effort. Get everyone on board w/ a plan that makes sense.
 
For the umpteenth time....people have already and will in the future not take out insurance...most are young and healthy and would rather just pay a hundred bucks out of their own pocket once a year for a checkup. Everybody else has lost their insurance already because of the sky-rocketing premiums and doctors & hospitals pulling out of ACA.
As if this thread's OP hasn't already verified the fact that you know so little about the issue....this post seals the deal.
 
They need to fix Obamacare - thought it's not "crashing" as your fake Trump news would have you believe.

But McCain is right - make it a bipartisan effort. Get everyone on board w/ a plan that makes sense.
do you really think the Dems would get on board? How do you "fix" a program with disincentives like forced care for psyhchiatry and mental health &pregnancy for men.
OBcare was always supposed to be a transitional to SP -either do that,or block grant it
 
except those that can't afford Obamacare.

Either block grant it back to the states,or go full Medicade expansion with SP.
I prefer the latter.
But there is no question Obamacare is crashing
Obamacare is crashing as a direct result of Republican politicking. They, including trump, believe that this will not fall into their laps.


Back to reality...this new piece of shit has NOTHING to do with providing better healthcare results.

It's STILL about getting rid of those pesky taxes on the wealthy, before the tax cut discussions start. Absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare in this country.
 
Obamacare is crashing as a direct result of Republican politicking. They, including trump, believe that this will not fall into their laps.


Back to reality...this new piece of shit has NOTHING to do with providing better healthcare results.

It's STILL about getting rid of those pesky taxes on the wealthy, before the tax cut discussions start. Absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare in this country.

Didn't read any newspapers last year did you?
 
Obamacare is crashing as a direct result of Republican politicking. They, including trump, believe that this will not fall into their laps.

Back to reality...this new piece of shit has NOTHING to do with providing better healthcare results.

It's STILL about getting rid of those pesky taxes on the wealthy, before the tax cut discussions start. Absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare in this country.
for whatever reason..it's collapsing. start there.
I get the savings are used for tax reform, but there is nothing wrong with that -despite your characterization tax reform is just for the rich. it's not

at this point I doubt the bill even comes up - so all this is moot.

Just call me when McCain is as dead as this bill, so I can get up and dance
 
Lovely.

Over 20 million people just kept their health insurance. McCain just saved countless lives.

you act like people were dropping like flies before 2014. This essential live saving god tier health insurance for proles hasn't even existed for 3 years.
 
They need to fix Obamacare - thought it's not "crashing" as your fake Trump news would have you believe.

The facts say otherwise, little Thingy Wingy, despite what you would have us believe.

In 2015, the government forecast that 20 million people would sign up on the ACA exchanges in the following year. The number of confirmed enrollees in 2016 was closer to 13 million. Only 10 million will actually pay their bills through September — barely half of the government’s recent forecast.

Why are so many people enrolling but not paying their bills? Because the Obama administration, desperate to inflate enrollment numbers, created more than 30 “special enrollment” periods that allowed customers to sign up whenever they wanted. Many of the tardy enrollees were not required to show proof of financial hardship.

Unsurprisingly, these Johnny-come-latelies use expensive health care and then drop their policy. That gap leaves the insurance companies — and ultimately the taxpayers — footing the bill.

Blue Cross Blue Shield explained that “individuals enrolled through special enrollment periods are utilizing up to 55 percent more services than their open enrollment counterparts.”

United Healthcare reported that more than 20 percent of its customers signed up during a special enrollment period and that this group used 20 percent more health care than those who enrolled during the regular enrollment period.

As a result of these shortfalls, insurers in 41 states lost money. In 2014 and 2015, Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina lost a combined $400 million.

United Healthcare lost nearly $1 billion in two years. “We continue to have serious concerns about the sustainability of the public exchanges,” explained Mark Bertolini, the CEO of Aetna. He pointed out that the risk pool was older and sicker than planners had expected.

As more insurers drop out, there is less competition, and premiums go even higher. Economist Herbert Stein’s rule applies forcefully to the ACA: “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2016-09-26-0100/obamacare-failure-facts



McCain is right - make it a bipartisan effort. Get everyone on board w/ a plan that makes sense.

It's cute that little Thingy Wingy thinks DEMOCRATS want to come up with a bipartisan plan that "makes sense" after they way they pushed Obamacare through Congress.
 
do you really think the Dems would get on board? How do you "fix" a program with disincentives like forced care for psyhchiatry and mental health &pregnancy for men.
Why do women pay for Viagra? Or prostate exams?
OBcare was always supposed to be a transitional to SP -either do that,or block grant it
Not really. It was meant to initially stabilize the general health of this society, which by default would decrease demand on the system.

Unfortunately, Republicans defunded key aspects of the law in '15, causing 13 insurance companies with the best rates to go under. trump continues to toy with insurers over funding in order to create even more doubt among insurers. Notwithstanding his moronic comments....this will be his/Republicans' fault.
 
for whatever reason..it's collapsing. start there.
I get the savings are used for tax reform, but there is nothing wrong with that -despite your characterization tax reform is just for the rich. it's not

at this point I doubt the bill even comes up - so all this is moot.

Just call me when McCain is as dead as this bill, so I can get up and dance
You need to read up on what the taxes involved with ACA are, and this will make much more sense.
 
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