Tucker Carlson Takes on the Russiaphobes / Neocons & assorted Warmongers

Bill said:
Fake news........... I don't watch videos.............So now commie Kucinich is an authority on something?? .........When did he get reformed??

Hopefully the bad ppl in the deep state defending democracy don't destroy the country while doing God's work.........:rolleyes:
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i c/p the text. video is not important.
He's an authority on Syria, having gone their multiple times and interviewed Assad.
He's non-interventionist to the point of saying stay out of that proxy war ( unlike Obama).
I imagine he would be for working w/Russia towards the cease fire ( but he hasn't commented to my knowledge)..

He sees the danger of politicization of the Intelligence Community (Deep State).
 
anatta said:
i c/p the text. video is not important.
He's an authority on Syria, having gone their multiple times and interviewed Assad.
He's non-interventionist to the point of saying stay out of that proxy war ( unlike Obama).
I imagine he would be for working w/Russia towards the cease fire ( but he hasn't commented to my knowledge)..

He sees the danger of politicization of the Intelligence Community (Deep State).
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In that clip he is calling for annihilating Iran, doesn't sound very non-interventionist to me..:dunno:
 
anatta said:
no it's simply continuing the US -Saudi special relationship. It's a continuation of policy
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What the hell kind of non-excuse is that? Continuing the US-Saudi relationship is a military/strategic decision and is at the heart of neoconservative ideology. You do realize that neoconservtism isn't about starting wars, but rather exerting military influence and maintaining strategic relationships (most notably in the Middle East).

calling it a "holy war" is gross misrepresentation -they are regional power opponents
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Based on a centuries-old religious grievance (Sunni vs. Shiite). Thus, it's a holy war.

Iran and Russia are strategic allies..but again WTF cares about Carlsons switching?
All I care about is his push back on Russian hysteria and neocons agenda
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You're a neocon. Far moreso than me. That you bend your neoconservatism in favor of Russia is not my concern.

reports are considering mean nothing..Neither Bolton nor Rudy Guiliani are in Trump's government- and it would have been politically easy/advantageous for Trump to do so
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Trump is allied with Bolton and Giuliani in terms of foreign policy.
 
Syria, as well as Yemen is a mess, a mess we have no reasons to be involved in........ That I agree..

In the end there were will be millions displaced, maimed & dead & assad will still be there.......Sad really!!
 
aloysious said:
Then you don't pay any attention to libertarians.
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Agree many of them did & most certainly not all dems did, most went along........

There were some on the right, the Buchanan types that spoke out but the bush & dick did a great job of selling it/lying & the media made lots & lots of money rattling those sabers..
 
Amadeus said:
What the hell kind of non-excuse is that? Continuing the US-Saudi relationship is a military/strategic decision and is at the heart of neoconservative ideology. You do realize that neoconservtism isn't about starting wars, but rather exerting military influence and maintaining strategic relationships (most notably in the Middle East).
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that is so called "hard and soft power" respectively
which is NOT "neo-con"

Neocon= "Bringing democracy at the barrel of a gun"

Based on a centuries-old religious grievance (Sunni vs. Shiite). Thus, it's a holy war.
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everything is sectarian in the ME.I'm talking about state to state relationship,
but it's a minor difference either way.. I see "holy war"and I think jihad,but the terms used as a westerner are elastic -OK

You're a neocon. Far moreso than me. That you bend your neoconservatism in favor of Russia is not my concern.
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grotesque misunderstanding that interventionism is a neocon agenda.

i am for a rapproachment as far as possible -ratcheting down tensions to reduce Cold War 2 dangers/spending

Trump is allied with Bolton and Giuliani in terms of foreign policy.
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no. just wrong.
when do you hear Trump talking about intervening? even on north korea he wants diplomacy first
 
aloysious said:
Then you don't pay any attention to libertarians.
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Nope, for one thing, actual libertarians are about as common as the pink-spotted cheetah. The vast majority of so called liberatarians are actually embarrassed Republicans.

Secondly, I specifically used the lexicon "forcefully" speaking out against Bush's war. Because message board liberals recognized that the war was not only bad policy, but morally wrong on the most profound of levels. A true category five moral issue and ethical peril.

That's why I think message board liberals were the most vocal, most passionate, and most active anti-war voices and anti-war protestors. To the extent so called libertarians were against the war, it was mostly from a policy and ideological perspective - something one would chat about over a cup of espresso. The sense of moral outrage was completely missing, and so called libertarians were more likely to post their outrage against San Francisco city bans on indoor smoking, as they were to post about the Iraq War.
 
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French President Emmanuel Macron (eh-mahn-yoo-EHL' mah-KROHN') says it remains important to maintain contact with Vladimir Putin, despite major differences with the Russian leader.

The response came after he and U.S. President Donald Trump were asked about Russian interference in last year's U.S. presidential election.

Macron says France and Russia do not have the same relationship as the one France shares with the United States. But he says France and Russia needed to continue direct communications. Macron recently hosted Putin in France.
 
anatta said:
that is so called "hard and soft power" respectively
which is NOT "neo-con"

Neocon= "Bringing democracy at the barrel of a gun"
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As opposed to Russia's form of neoconservatism, which is 'Invade your neighbor and/or co-opt their democracy so that Putin can re-establish Russia's former glory.'

Warmongering is warmongering, and you can't always blame NATO.
 
Amadeus said:
As opposed to Russia's form of neoconservatism, which is 'Invade your neighbor and/or co-opt their democracy so that Putin can re-establish Russia's former glory.'

Warmongering is warmongering, and you can't always blame NATO.
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Putin /NATO - there is plenty of blame to go around.

the point is do not confuse blaming Putin with an actual foreign policy relationship to Putin
( see my sig)
 
Tucker Carlson Takes on the Russiaphobes / Neocons & assorted Warmongers

Cypress said:
Tucker Carlson can get off his high horse, he supported invading Iraq.

p.s., is there anything more hilarious than Republicans, Republican-sympathizers, and conservatards posing as hippie peaceniks? I think not!

You know what I remember from a decade plus on message boards? It was liberals, and pretty much only liberal message boarders who spoke out forcefully against the Iraq War.
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Why do you want to go to war with Russia?
 
Amadeus said:
As opposed to Russia's form of neoconservatism, which is 'Invade your neighbor and/or co-opt their democracy so that Putin can re-establish Russia's former glory.'

Warmongering is warmongering, and you can't always blame NATO.
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Do you think Russia is going to invade us?

Are Russian "refugees" flocking here?
 
Tucker Carlson examined tonight if the "hysteria" over Russian meddling in the U.S. election could end up hurting Americans.

He said that the U.S. has long had a "nuanced relationship" with Russia, which is a world power with massive energy reserves and a nuclear arsenal.

"We've done that because we had to do it, because it was in our best interests," Tucker explained. "Not anymore. Thanks to the hysteria over Trump's election, Russia is now the 'single most evil country in the history of the world.'"

"What's the cost of this hysteria to America right now?" Tucker asked. "We still have a world to run. How much harder is this making it?"

Former CIA officer Brian Dean Wright joined Tucker and said the rhetoric coming out of Washington, D.C. and the mainstream media is "either you're with Russia, or you're against it."

He said that international politics is much more complicated and nuanced than an either/or scenario.

He pointed to Syria, where we have to work - to some degree - with the Russians and even the Iranians to achieve a result that is in our best interests.

Tucker quipped that remarks like that will surely lead to being accused of "carrying water" for Russia and Iran.

"A lot of people don't understand how foreign policy works," Wright said. "We don't have friends. We have interests."

He said we can collaborate with Russia on the issues where we must, while still holding them accountable for their transgressions, such as meddling in the 2016 election.

"We're losing that nuance," Wright lamented. "And that's scary for American security in the medium to long-term."
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/...-russia-relations-work-together-or-be-enemies

see video link @ site
 
anatta said:
Tucker Carlson examined tonight if the "hysteria" over Russian meddling in the U.S. election could end up hurting Americans.

He said that the U.S. has long had a "nuanced relationship" with Russia, which is a world power with massive energy reserves and a nuclear arsenal.

"We've done that because we had to do it, because it was in our best interests," Tucker explained. "Not anymore. Thanks to the hysteria over Trump's election, Russia is now the 'single most evil country in the history of the world.'"

"What's the cost of this hysteria to America right now?" Tucker asked. "We still have a world to run. How much harder is this making it?"

Former CIA officer Brian Dean Wright joined Tucker and said the rhetoric coming out of Washington, D.C. and the mainstream media is "either you're with Russia, or you're against it."

He said that international politics is much more complicated and nuanced than an either/or scenario.

He pointed to Syria, where we have to work - to some degree - with the Russians and even the Iranians to achieve a result that is in our best interests.

Tucker quipped that remarks like that will surely lead to being accused of "carrying water" for Russia and Iran.

"A lot of people don't understand how foreign policy works," Wright said. "We don't have friends. We have interests."

He said we can collaborate with Russia on the issues where we must, while still holding them accountable for their transgressions, such as meddling in the 2016 election.

"We're losing that nuance," Wright lamented. "And that's scary for American security in the medium to long-term."
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/...-russia-relations-work-together-or-be-enemies
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This whole narrative is complete bologna.

People do not like that Russia was meddling in our election. Let me repeat that: people do not like that Russia was meddling in our election.

Nor should they. What is is that you & Tucker want, exactly? "Sssssshhhhhh...let's not talk about Russia interfering with our internal politics and trying to influence our elections. We don't want to offend them."

I haven't really heard anyone talk about Russia as though they are ISIS or anything - just that they can't be trusted. Is that not accurate?

You guys are self-conscious and defensive because this is all tied to Trump, which is why you're portraying it this way. If it's "hysteria" and a phobia, Trump gets off clean.
 
Thing1 said:
This whole narrative is complete bologna.

People do not like that Russia was meddling in our election. Let me repeat that: people do not like that Russia was meddling in our election.

Nor should they. What is is that you & Tucker want, exactly? "Sssssshhhhhh...let's not talk about Russia interfering with our internal politics and trying to influence our elections. We don't want to offend them."

I haven't really heard anyone talk about Russia as though they are ISIS or anything - just that they can't be trusted. Is that not accurate?

You guys are self-conscious and defensive because this is all tied to Trump, which is why you're portraying it this way. If it's "hysteria" and a phobia, Trump gets off clean.
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no at all what was said.
I even bolded it for you thing..

A lot of people don't understand how foreign policy works," Wright said. "We don't have friends. We have interests."
He said we can collaborate with Russia on the issues where we must, while still holding them accountable for their transgressions, such as meddling in the 2016 election.

go to the site and watch the video.
Gives you in more depth what you need to know about international relations..stop frothing and wise up.
 
anatta said:
no at all what was said.
I even bolded it for you thing..

A lot of people don't understand how foreign policy works," Wright said. "We don't have friends. We have interests."
He said we can collaborate with Russia on the issues where we must, while still holding them accountable for their transgressions, such as meddling in the 2016 election.

go to the site and watch the video.
Gives you in more depth what you need to know about international relations..stop frothing and wise up.
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Again - a strawman.

There is no mass sentiment to "cut ties" with Russia. Everyone recognizes that we need to have some kind of relationship w/ them - we ALWAYS have, even in the old days.

This is a made-up narrative.
 
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