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Thing1 said:
It's competing rights. There is the right of the potential human being, against the right of the body that potential human being needs. As I've said, it get murkier as the fetus develops - which is why I think Roe is such a perfect compromise.

Trust me - I've thought about this issue WAY more than you have. You're in over your head w/ me. You just see it as "lefty = bad." You don't care about life.
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That is a pretty shallow answer for someone who claims to have thought about it more than I have.

Expound on these competing rights if you will. What right "of the body that potential human being needs" is being infringed upon?
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
That is a pretty shallow answer for someone who claims to have thought about it more than I have.

Expound on these competing rights if you will. What right "of the body that potential human being needs" is being infringed upon?
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A fetus has a basic right to life. But it needs a body to exist - them's the breaks. It's not clever to try to distill this down into a simple, black & white issue - that's actually the refuge of people who aren't able to reason it through with the complexity that it deserves (which is really most people on the extremes of the issue).

The Court got it right with Roe. Issues like viability, cognizance, sentience & development all come into play. And don't hit me w/ the predictable "what about someone in a coma" strawman. The state should not have the right to compel a woman to carry a fetus to term. That is about as anti-freedom and big government a stance as I can imagine.

This is a fairly futile exercise w/ a poster like you. As I've said - you are an ideologue. You absolutely, 100% do not care about life, and your posts here have shown that. Please do not pretend that you do in this instance.
 
Thing1 said:
For the record, I'd be as alarmed by a 6-3 or 7-2 liberal majority as I am by the impending 6-3/7-2 conservative majority.

If the court is an ideological one - and it is - it should reflect America. America is centrist - I'll even concede right-center if it's important to anyone. A lopsided court in either direction works against too many people. In my opinion, the court selection process is a real flaw in our process. It shouldn't be at the whim of a Presidential election - and the Congress should NOT have been able to block Garland, who was a very moderate choice.
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Here is a primary reason liberals are an enemy of the nation . . .

The Court isn't there to enforce the sentiments of the citizenry . . . It exists and its only duty is to enforce the Constitution.

As an example, the entire notion that a "wise Latina woman" has special judicial discernment, is an insult to the Court.
 
Abatis said:
Here is a primary reason liberals are an enemy of the nation . . .

The Court isn't there to enforce the sentiments of the citizenry . . . It exists and its only duty is to enforce the Constitution.

As an example, the entire notion that a "wise Latina woman" has special judicial discernment, is an insult to the Court.
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absolutely correct. Identity politics on the Court is an insult to Constitutional interpretation
 
Thing1 said:
This is a fairly futile exercise w/ a poster like you. As I've said - you are an ideologue. You absolutely, 100% do not care about life, and your posts here have shown that. Please do not pretend that you do in this instance.
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why do you feel being "pro-life" has to translate into all aspects? Does being "pro-choice" mean you have to support the choice not to pay taxes? They are both stupid labels.
 
It would be one thing if anti abortion people made an effort to help living children but what you find when you look is it is simply an emotional reaction with no substantive concern. Below is a note I sent to someone on the American Conservative.

"Thirty-one percent of all conceptions end in miscarriage, usually in the early months of pregnancy and often before women even know they are pregnant, according to a new study." Source NYT

Imagine for a moment that those who oppose birth control of any kind realized that the potential for life exists every month and lived according to the Catholic concept of propagation of life and the faith?

Or imagine that those who want to ban any sort of birth control, raised and took care of the needy children in this country and the world? It is estimated that a living breathing child dies every fifteen seconds. Just imagine.

Imagine too if the poverty that make life tragic were addressed and along with it an education that would make life a bit nice for all. And imagine then that birth became just a bit easier, life too.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/27/us/study-finds-31-rate-of-miscarriage.html


Pres Trump, Stop calling healthcare Obamacare, this is your watch and what you do or don't do or allow others to do is now Trumpcare.
 
midcan5 said:
It would be one thing if anti abortion people made an effort to help living children but what you find when you look is it is simply an emotional reaction with no substantive concern. Below is a note I sent to someone on the American Conservative.

"Thirty-one percent of all conceptions end in miscarriage, usually in the early months of pregnancy and often before women even know they are pregnant, according to a new study." Source NYT

Imagine for a moment that those who oppose birth control of any kind realized that the potential for life exists every month and lived according to the Catholic concept of propagation of life and the faith?

Or imagine that those who want to ban any sort of birth control, raised and took care of the needy children in this country and the world? It is estimated that a living breathing child dies every fifteen seconds. Just imagine.

Imagine too if the poverty that make life tragic were addressed and along with it an education that would make life a bit nice for all. And imagine then that birth became just a bit easier, life too.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/27/us/study-finds-31-rate-of-miscarriage.html


Pres Trump, Stop calling healthcare Obamacare, this is your watch and what you do or don't do or allow others to do is now Trumpcare.
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No serious person wants to ban birth control pills. Nice straw man. I don't want to pay for some broads birth control pills when they can be bought for $4 a month.

Don't try to claim that there are lots of women who can't afford $4 a month. You will just embarrass yourself
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
No serious person wants to ban birth control pills. Nice straw man. I don't want to pay for some broads birth control pills when they can be bought for $4 a month.

Don't try to claim that there are lots of women who can't afford $4 a month. You will just embarrass yourself
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Midcan's hatred of conservatives clouds his judgement.
 
Thing1 said:
A fetus has a basic right to life. But it needs a body to exist - them's the breaks. It's not clever to try to distill this down into a simple, black & white issue - that's actually the refuge of people who aren't able to reason it through with the complexity that it deserves (which is really most people on the extremes of the issue).

The Court got it right with Roe. Issues like viability, cognizance, sentience & development all come into play. And don't hit me w/ the predictable "what about someone in a coma" strawman. The state should not have the right to compel a woman to carry a fetus to term. That is about as anti-freedom and big government a stance as I can imagine.

This is a fairly futile exercise w/ a poster like you. As I've said - you are an ideologue. You absolutely, 100% do not care about life, and your posts here have shown that. Please do not pretend that you do in this instance.
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I've always loved the backwards fantasy that killing life shows how much you care about it.

Those are human beings. They are beings that are humans. You know what else is exclusively called humans? People. Those are people you support killing. Enjoy your death cult.
 
GazzaQueen said:
I've always loved the backwards fantasy that killing life shows how much you care about it.

Those are human beings. They are beings that are humans. You know what else is exclusively called humans? People. Those are people you support killing. Enjoy your death cult.
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Did you support invading Iraq?
 
GazzaQueen said:
Did the invasion purposefully target unborn babies?

Are you at war with unborn children?
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It was a simple yes or no question: did you support the invasion of Iraq?

Do you support the GOP health plan?

Do you support the death penalty?

Did you oppose the assault weapons ban?
 
Thing1 said:
It was a simple yes or no question: did you support the invasion of Iraq?

Do you support the GOP health plan?

Do you support the death penalty?

Did you oppose the assault weapons ban?
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Some yes, some no.

One big no is supporting the killing of innocents.
 
Thing1 said:
A lot of innocents died when we invaded Iraq.

A lot of innocents will die with the GOP health plan.

Spare me your faux outrage.
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Do you support the continual invasion of Iraq?

Comparing war with Iraq and war against the unborn is tasty cakes for monsters like you.
 
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