Every green initiative has been a disaster

Oh...btw Tom...our small green initiative at work generated over $125 million in revenue at around 35% gross margin and a 15% EBIDTA.

Doesn't seem like a failure to me though we are small potatoes since haz waste is around a $4 billion annual industry in the US. One that's actually declining. Probably because we've been too good on waste minimization programs.
 
Althea said:
The U.S is very different. They banned diesel vehicles, until they could run cleaner.

So V.W, and other companies (no doubt) simply programmed the cars to trick the emissions tests into thinking they were running cleaner than they were.

Now, millions of drivers, along with these companies, are screwed.
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Nobody believes you, treebeard. ;)
 
Rune said:
Wrong again idiot.
Photosynthesis began 3.2 billion years ago.
What a fucktard you are.
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No, you are wrong again. I never mentioned photosynthesis. You just make shit up like your claim I said "instantaneous". Stick to the facts, not your liberal lala land fantasies, fuckwad.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh...btw Tom...our small green initiative at work generated over $125 million in revenue at around 35% gross margin and a 15% EBIDTA
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Oh there is no doubt that some people are coining it in, usually by way of subsidies. The main problem with wind energy especially is it's very erratic nature and the need to provide fossil fuel backup to smooth out the peaks and troughs. As Germany has found out to its cost, this actually results in more CO2 being produced not less due to the inherent inefficiencies. The Germans are phasing out wind subsidies in 2019 and many wind farms will no longer be viable.

https://carboncounter.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/212/
 
Cypress said:
I do not accept the premise of your thread.

But more importantly, what is your motivation for being an advocate for more dirty and polluting technologies? Why are seemingly you such an advocate for coal and oil?
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I took the time to read the European article. They're talking about the ways the govts. have tried to curtail pollution. The term 'green' is simply being used as a pejorative.
 
Bigdog said:
Hybrid cars are made for rich people and their egos, and subsidized for the rich by the common working man. :palm:
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That's odd. My buddy is leasing his third one in ten years, and he makes app. $60k/year as a sheriff, if he works a shitload of overtime.
 
Milagro said:
Well he certainly never given any indication that he has studied sciences to any great extent. All his replies appear to be emotion driven like Runes, so it would be good if he argued on a more factual basis.

I have a very good friend that I've known since secondary school who was a professor of environmental sciences at Queen's University Belfast. He now works at Oxford University part time doing research on soil erosion, he is currently writing a paper as well. We have great discussions about climate change, he was like Cypress at first but I managed to get him to open his mind and be far more sceptical about the so called science.

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He didn't get skeptical from reading peer review scholarly journal articles in nature or science or pnas. There aren't any. Science is whole hog in with it. Thanks
 
Milagro said:
Oh there is no doubt that some people are coining it in, usually by way of subsidies. The main problem with wind energy especially is it's very erratic nature and the need to provide fossil fuel backup to smooth out the peaks and troughs. As Germany has found out to its cost, this actually results in more CO2 being produced not less due to the inherent inefficiencies. The Germans are phasing out wind subsidies in 2019 and many wind farms will no longer be viable.

https://carboncounter.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/212/
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The previous article stated that they'll stop expanding the program, capping wind energy at 45% of the energy used. That's hardly 'phasing out'.
 
Althea said:
The previous article stated that they'll stop expanding the program, capping wind energy at 45% of the energy used. That's hardly 'phasing out'.
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Ok phasing out is too strong, they are rolling back their wind programme. The reason being that it is just not viable and is immensely costly.

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Micawber said:
He didn't get skeptical from reading peer review scholarly journal articles in nature or science or pnas. There aren't any. Science is whole hog in with it. Thanks
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I have posted a huge number of papers and studies on here over the years and continue to do so. Statements like yours are immensely wrongheaded and frankly just downright stupid, you have nothing to offer on the subject and you'd do well to realise that.

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Milagro said:
Oh there is no doubt that some people are coining it in, usually by way of subsidies. The main problem with wind energy especially is it's very erratic nature and the need to provide fossil fuel backup to smooth out the peaks and troughs. As Germany has found out to its cost, this actually results in more CO2 being produced not less due to the inherent inefficiencies. The Germans are phasing out wind subsidies in 2019 and many wind farms will no longer be viable.

https://carboncounter.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/212/
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Fluctuations in supply or demand from any given source do not matter to grid operators, said report author and AWEA research director Michael Goggin. All they care about is the total supply and demand on the grid at any given moment. As the AWEA report puts it, “The total variability is far less than the sum of its parts.”

“Grid operators only care about total variability on the power system,” Goggin said. “They don’t care what any one wind plant is doing or even what all wind plants are doing.”

Hence variations in the level of wind energy output are easily smoothed out over the grid as demand also rises and falls frequently and often unpredictably, and as output levels from other energy sources fluctuate. And the more wind power is added to the grid, the less variable wind energy as a whole becomes.

http://midwestenergynews.com/2015/02/13/blowing-away-myths-study-says-wind-energy-could-be-even-more-reliable-than-baseload-power/
 
Milagro said:
I have posted a huge number of papers and studies on here over the years and continue to do so. Statements like yours are immensely wrongheaded and frankly just downright stupid, you have nothing to offer on the subject and you'd do well to realise that.

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Not in nature or science, the most esteemed journals. You aren't a climate scientist. Your beliefs are 100 percent a function of your political views.
 
Whatever the hell they are doing in Europe, they damn sure are doing wind in the USA. Take a jet across the country and look down. Bazillions of turbines already in play. Wind ain't going away at all.
 
Micawber said:
Not in nature or science, the most esteemed journals. You aren't a climate scientist. Your beliefs are 100 percent a function of your political views.
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Well for that matter nor are you. I would also suggest that your views are very much a product of your political views and the consequent confirmation bias that results from those beliefs. I am appalled by the intrusion of politics into climate science, anyone of a scientific bent should always show a healthy scepticism at all times, to do otherwise is to venture into evangelism not scientific endeavour.

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Micawber said:
Whatever the hell they are doing in Europe, they damn sure are doing wind in the USA. Take a jet across the country and look down. Bazillions of turbines already in play. Wind ain't going away at all.
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They would soon disappear without huge subsidies.

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Bigdog said:
No, you are wrong again. I never mentioned photosynthesis. You just make shit up like your claim I said "instantaneous". Stick to the facts, not your liberal lala land fantasies, fuckwad.
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Fossil fuels began accumulating with the advent of photosynthesis dickbreath.
 
Milagro said:
I have posted a huge number of papers and studies on here over the years and continue to do so. Statements like yours are immensely wrongheaded and frankly just downright stupid, you have nothing to offer on the subject and you'd do well to realise that.

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Respond to my comments about Crescent Dunes, dick licker.
 
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