Was Hiroshima an act of terrorism?

Darth Hussein Omar said:
As has been pointed out, just how innocent were they? What do you think the 'innocent' Japanese citizens at the time would have done with, or to, a downed American or Allied pilot? I wager it wouldn't be pretty.

But let's suppose we didn't drop the Bomb on Japan. And we'll go ahead and suppose the war would have ended all neat and tidy with no more American deaths or any deaths at all. I granted two debatable suppositions right in a row.

But the technology was still there and within little more than a decade the Soviets possessed it. But remember, we didn't bomb Nagasaki or Hiroshima, so nobody had actually tried a tactical nuke....yet.

I'm going to suppose that Truman's decision spared a nuclear exchange between the US and the Soviet Union.

Be careful what you wish for.
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Man, that 1st line is kind of stomach-churning.

You're just someone who buys into every bit of propoganda that gets fed to you. You need to open your eyes to what America has been capable of.
 
anatta said:
I can't recall what the territories were..no matter the US moved it's fleet to Pearl Harbor in an attempt to check Japan, and defend the Philippines.

All of that pales to Japanese imperialism. Japan was worried about US pre-eminence ,and chose war.
Once the events dominoes -they took on their own life..It would have been extremely odd not to use the bomb
to force unconditional surrender.
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See post #328 !!
 
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-saipan



The brutal three-week Battle of Saipan resulted in more than 3,000 U.S. deaths and over 13,000 wounded. For their part, the Japanese lost at least 27,000 soldiers, by some estimates. On July 9, when Americans declared the battle over, thousands of Saipan’s civilians, terrified by Japanese propaganda that warned they would be killed by U.S. troops, leapt to their deaths from the high cliffs at the island’s northern end.

The loss of Saipan stunned the political establishment in Tokyo, the capital city of Japan. Political leaders came to understand the devastating power of the long-range U.S. bombers. Furthermore, many of Saipan’s citizens were Japanese, and the loss of Saipan marked the first defeat in Japanese territory that had not been added during Japan’s aggressive expansion by invasion in 1941 and 1942. Worse still, General Hideki Tojo (1884-1948), Japan’s militaristic prime minister, had publicly promised that the United States would never take Saipan. He was forced to resign a week after the U.S. conquest of the island.
 
because it s a fucking lie filled bullshit question


Now


I proved the civilian population were heaving children off cliffs


are you claiming that was not real
 
Milagro said:
See post #328 !!
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that's deep. Look if you wanna goback to the end of WWI -ok fine. I agree nothing happens in a vacuum. And of course the desire by Japan to feed it's empire by colonization is nothing new.
Nor is Pacific expansionism by the US as a new world power..

I am simply saying Japan chose war, was brutal in it's prosecution, and did not acede to unconditional surrender.
In some real sense war was inevitable, but if you look at it that way; having and using the bomb was inevitable also.
 
evince said:
because it s a fucking lie filled bullshit question


Now


I proved the civilian population were heaving children off cliffs


are you claiming that was not real
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It's a simple question: did you support Vietnam?

I didn't ask you to "prove" that about the Japanese. How that ends up in "it's okay for us to vaporize innocents" is beyond me.

I think you supported Vietnam. You're partisan devotion to party goes so much further than anyone I've ever seen, even on this board.
 
evince said:
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-saipan



The brutal three-week Battle of Saipan resulted in more than 3,000 U.S. deaths and over 13,000 wounded. For their part, the Japanese lost at least 27,000 soldiers, by some estimates. On July 9, when Americans declared the battle over, thousands of Saipan’s civilians, terrified by Japanese propaganda that warned they would be killed by U.S. troops, leapt to their deaths from the high cliffs at the island’s northern end.

The loss of Saipan stunned the political establishment in Tokyo, the capital city of Japan. Political leaders came to understand the devastating power of the long-range U.S. bombers. Furthermore, many of Saipan’s citizens were Japanese, and the loss of Saipan marked the first defeat in Japanese territory that had not been added during Japan’s aggressive expansion by invasion in 1941 and 1942. Worse still, General Hideki Tojo (1884-1948), Japan’s militaristic prime minister, had publicly promised that the United States would never take Saipan. He was forced to resign a week after the U.S. conquest of the island.
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thanks for showing how devastating a battle for japan would be. Remember Saipan is a relatively small island nothing like the importance of the home islands.
 
Thing1 said:
Man, that 1st line is kind of stomach-churning.

You're just someone who buys into every bit of propoganda that gets fed to you. You need to open your eyes to what America has been capable of.
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No, you throw words like 'innocent' around like no one is supposed to question it. However 'innocent' the Japanese citizens at the time were, let's at least stipulate that they were decidedly 'less innocent' than the inhabitants of the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Should the degree of the victim's innocence factor into this little game, or not?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
No, you throw words like 'innocent' around like no one is supposed to question it. However 'innocent' the Japanese citizens at the time were, let's at least stipulate that they were decidedly 'less innocent' than the inhabitants of the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Should the degree of the victim's innocence factor into this little game, or not?
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Re: the bolded - let me tell you what the Darth Hussein Omar of the Middle East would say about it: he would say that the people in the twin towers were anything but innocent, since they elected and supported leaders who pursued policies of aggression & violence in the Middle East that resulted in the deaths of their neighbors and friends. That they armed Saddam Hussein with the chemical weapons that killed many of their countrymen. That they supported "shock and awe." And on & on.

Not what I'm saying, mind you. This is what the Darth Hussein Omar of the Middle East would say.
 
evince said:
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-saipan



The brutal three-week Battle of Saipan resulted in more than 3,000 U.S. deaths and over 13,000 wounded. For their part, the Japanese lost at least 27,000 soldiers, by some estimates. On July 9, when Americans declared the battle over, thousands of Saipan’s civilians, terrified by Japanese propaganda that warned they would be killed by U.S. troops, leapt to their deaths from the high cliffs at the island’s northern end.

The loss of Saipan stunned the political establishment in Tokyo, the capital city of Japan. Political leaders came to understand the devastating power of the long-range U.S. bombers. Furthermore, many of Saipan’s citizens were Japanese, and the loss of Saipan marked the first defeat in Japanese territory that had not been added during Japan’s aggressive expansion by invasion in 1941 and 1942. Worse still, General Hideki Tojo (1884-1948), Japan’s militaristic prime minister, had publicly promised that the United States would never take Saipan. He was forced to resign a week after the U.S. conquest of the island.
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these are facts
 
tsuke said:
thanks for showing how devastating a battle for japan would be. Remember Saipan is a relatively small island nothing like the importance of the home islands.
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These people don't understand how different WWII was from Iraq or etc. The US body count at Saipan was in the same ballpark as the Iraq war and Iraq was an active war for amost a decade[!]. In contrast, Saipan was a single battle that's largely been forgotten about.

Maybe if they would try and wrap their brains around the absolute carnage that was going on at the time, it would occur to them that desperate times can indeed call for desperate measures.
 
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