Dear Jarod... Rand Paul won...

Damocles said:
And full of fear. Most empty rhetoric is fed to you at school and you have been fooled to believe it is wisdom.


Utter rubbish. Start small, grow, and then work towards your goal. The only limitation on what you can do is the limitation you set on yourself, you let their fear invade until you won't even take a chance to make it.

Believe me, this is from somebody who started with less than you have ever thought.

Nor is there anything wrong with choosing to sell your time, you too are a product. If that is what you wish, then do it well. The measure of success is how close you've come to your goals, not what some other person has... what you call "wage slave" could be the goal of somebody living their dream. They succeeded, you just want to have an excuse to blame some other person than the one responsible for not even attempting to reach for your goal.



Absolutely. I was there. Every business has a starting point, and if you truly feel in slavery then act to free yourself rather than ask for softer chains gifted to you from the government.
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Okay, so I got a few things from that post. A.) You don't understand labor economics, or the impacts of the free market. B.) You think that the application of your situation to the country as a whole is valid means of analysis, and that the country hasn't changed since you were young. C.) You don't bother to question iniquity of a country where the conditions of your birth may likely determine your future - a country that pushes it's middle class into poverty, while it's rich grow richer.

I'll copy down some more content from the manifesto, but, first, I implore you to read this:

The children of the wealthy have opportunities, freedoms, and connections, that middle-class Americans don’t. Success in America depends not only on hard work, but also, to a degree that most people don’t want to admit, on being in the right place at the right time — as author Michael Lewis infamously reminded graduating students at Princeton in a commencement address this June. (Lewis noted that his brief career on Wall Street, which kick-started his much longer career as a bestselling author, came about because he happened to be seated next to the wife of a prominent investment banker at a dinner party.) Economist Tom Hertz has quantified some of the benefits of being born rich, showing that children born into families in the wealthiest ten percent are more than twenty times more likely to remain rich than children born into the poorest ten percent are to become rich.
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Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/02/01/is-middle-class-stagnation-really-a-myth/#ixzz2N3B5d4xg

On to some more data and personal accounts:

Christopher Jenks who grew up in a middle class family in Minneapolis - St. Paul, had become homeless after his successful career in sales and marketing came to a crashing halt... Stubbornly prideful, Jenks refused to apply for public aid while he feverishly sought work. During hard times, he panhandled on a freeway exit ramp and lived in his car. With no prospects in sight, Jenks finally gave in and applied for public help. Never in his wildest dreams had he imagined himself homeless and surviving on food stamps. It's either that or I die," Jenks said, "I want a job. So do a lot of other Americans caught up in this tragedy."

"I worked with Alzheimers patients, I have a CDI license, I can do just about anything, and I'm willing to do it... we have a 14 year old son. Our life insurance is gone, our car insurance is gone, our cable is gone, they came and turned off the gas last week. We have each other, we have God, and we just keep on going... but no one knows how you living."

Before the great recession, roughly 37M Americans were living in poverty. That number has soared to almost 50M today, according to the most recent revised census numbers... In 2010, close to 9M Americans were working part-time only because they could not find full time employment... America is experiencing the highest rate of long-term unemployment in a generation, with almost half of the unemployed looking for work for more than 6 months... Over the past forty years, incomes have remained stagnant for all but the top 5% of Americans, whose incomes sky rocketed over the same period...
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http://www.amazon.com/The-Rich-And-...4&sr=8-1&keywords=the+rich+and+the+rest+of+us

Damocles, the America you grew up in is much different from the one much of your generation faced, or, especially, the one you left for your children and grandchildren. Now isn't the time for the same tired rhetoric, it's time for a real shift from the policies you used to assail the poor and generations to come.
 
Sycamore said:
Okay, so I got a few things from that post. A.) You don't understand labor economics, or the impacts of the free market. B.) You think that the application of your situation to the country as a whole is valid means of analysis, and that the country hasn't changed since you were young. C.) You don't bother to question iniquity of a country where the conditions of your birth may likely determine your future - a country that pushes it's middle class into poverty, while it's rich grow richer.

I'll copy down some more content from the manifesto, but, first, I implore you to read this:



Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/02/01/is-middle-class-stagnation-really-a-myth/#ixzz2N3B5d4xg

On to some more data and personal accounts:



http://www.amazon.com/The-Rich-And-...4&sr=8-1&keywords=the+rich+and+the+rest+of+us

Damocles, the America you grew up in is much different from the one much of your generation faced, or, especially, the one you left for your children and grandchildren. Now isn't the time for the same tired rhetoric, it's time for a real shift from the policies you used to assail the poor and generations to come.
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Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty and raised the standard of living on Earth far more than any other economic model in history yet you call it tired rhetoric? There are imperfections in capitalism for sure but saying we need to shift away from a capitalistic model in this country? Not happening.
 
cawacko said:
Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty and raised the standard of living on Earth far more than any other economic model in history yet you call it tired rhetoric? There are imperfections in capitalism for sure but saying we need to shift away from a capitalistic model in this country? Not happening.
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You are correct in your surmise about capitalism. That the shift is happening away from it? On that you are incorrect.
 
cawacko said:
Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty and raised the standard of living on Earth far more than any other economic model in history yet you call it tired rhetoric? There are imperfections in capitalism for sure but saying we need to shift away from a capitalistic model in this country? Not happening.
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None of the achievements of capitalism would be diminished by a localized capitalism-socialism hybrid. The shifts I suggest - such as community based retirement plans, worker ownership, and free higher education - are rather minor, and seek only to address the failings of our current capitalism.

What worked a century ago no longer does. Only the fool and the tyrant are afraid of change from such conditions.
 
Rune said:
Care to provide proof?
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ACA would be a start, though following many more.

I'm not naive, I acknowledge that there are those that would exploit any openings for their own profit advantages, there are those too that would break laws to make a 'killing.' On the first we need to make laws, on the second we need to prosecute, but that in the case of 'too big to fail' seems to be fantasyland. Not too mention how much those big banks gave to Obama and now to his lobbyist arm.
 
Just how much the Kochs have given AFP or other dark-money groups is unknown. Earlier this year, the Huffington Post reported that Charles Koch has pledged to give $40 million to unseat Obama while David Koch has pledged $20 million.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/charts-map-koch-brothers-2012-spending

Adelson and his wife, Miriam, spent at least $98 million this election cycle.

http://www.propublica.org/article/how-much-did-sheldon-adelson-really-spend-on-campaign-2012

Who leads the Republicon party? It's easy to find their leaders just follow the money, as usual. Republicon politicians are just mouthpieces for their financial backers and love to get that casino money from China.
 
Sycamore said:
None of the achievements of capitalism would be diminished by a localized capitalism-socialism hybrid. The shifts I suggest - such as community based retirement plans, worker ownership, and free higher education - are rather minor, and seek only to address the failings of our current capitalism.
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Sycamore said:
What worked a century ago no longer does. Only the fool and the tyrant are afraid of change from such conditions.
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What the fuck is it with the worker ownership? If you want to participate in a co-op, then please feel free to do so. There are many successful ones, and the first that comes to mind is WinCo Foods (because I have one right down the street).
 
Threedee said:
What the fuck is it with the worker ownership? If you want to participate in a co-op, then please feel free to do so. There are many successful ones, and the first that comes to mind is WinCo Foods (because I have one right down the street).
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The Lusty Lady is a strip club co-op on my street even though I think it may be going out of business. As for this dude's dream of co-op's all over the U.S.? Good luck with that.
 
Capitalism hasn't failed, capitalists have. When capitalists fail society then it's up to the workers to demand their right to be able to earn a living. If capitalists only provide wage slavery or leach wealth from society like WalMart, then it's time to change some very anti-middle class laws that have been in place for the last 30 yrs. and put this country back to work again.

Prosecute our capitalists for breaking the law? LOL Here's how china handles it...

2008 China has executed a businessman convicted of bilking thousands of investors out of £285million

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...llion-ANT-breeding-swindle.html#ixzz2N3j0MKhz
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Chinese businessman executed
A man has been executed in southern China after being found guilty of amassing a fortune while his state-owned investment company went bankrupt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3356619.stm
 
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Crashk said:
Capitalism hasn't failed, capitalists have. When capitalists fail society then it's up to the workers to demand their right to be able to earn a living. If capitalists only provide wage slavery or leach wealth from society like WalMart, then it's time to change some very anti-middle class laws that have been in place for the last 30 yrs. and put this country back to work again.

Prosecute our capitalists for breaking the law? LOL Here's how china handles it...

2008 China has executed a businessman convicted of bilking thousands of investors out of £285million

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...llion-ANT-breeding-swindle.html#ixzz2N3j0MKhz
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Chinese businessman executed
A man has been executed in southern China after being found guilty of amassing a fortune while his state-owned investment company went bankrupt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3356619.stm
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Crash, who are the workers going to demand to that they must be given a right to earn a living? Is the government going to take over the means of production and give all Americans jobs that way similar to how they do in Cuba?
 
Govt is the employer of last resort. When capitalists and their hired govt agents reduce employment in this country and lower the standard of living then the majority, who's always taking it in the shorts, has to change the govt. Either by law or getting rid of the problem, like the chinese.
 
cawacko said:
Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty and raised the standard of living on Earth far more than any other economic model in history yet you call it tired rhetoric? There are imperfections in capitalism for sure but saying we need to shift away from a capitalistic model in this country? Not happening.
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We need to regulate it and go back to the type of capitalism that creates goods and jobs and not just value on paper.
 
Rana said:
We need to regulate it and go back to the type of capitalism that creates goods and jobs and not just value on paper.
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We do regulate it. Look at the 70,000 pages in our tax code to see the many ways we regulate it.
 
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