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[h=1]Illegal immigrant tells Congress not to call him illegal[/h]
Jose Antonio Vargas, an illegal immigrant and former reporter, scolded a congressional panel on Wednesday, saying that he should not be called illegal, and saying it is an insult to his family who brought him here.

Last week, a top House Democrat also warned colleagues against using the term “illegal immigrants.”
“Our citizens are not — the people in this country are not illegal. They are are out of status. They are new Americans that are immigrants,” Rep. John Conyers Jr.
At least five other formerly illegal immigrants were scheduled to be guests at Tuesday’s State of the Union address, though each of those has been granted specific tentative legal status through one of the Homeland Security Department’s programs.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...lls-congress-not-call-him-ille/#ixzz2Ko9j1o8w

specific tentative legal status ?...Guess thats the new jargon for Obamalaw.

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NOVA said:
[h=1]Illegal immigrant tells Congress not to call him illegal[/h]
Jose Antonio Vargas, an illegal immigrant and former reporter, scolded a congressional panel on Wednesday, saying that he should not be called illegal, and saying it is an insult to his family who brought him here.

Last week, a top House Democrat also warned colleagues against using the term “illegal immigrants.”
“Our citizens are not — the people in this country are not illegal. They are are out of status. They are new Americans that are immigrants,” Rep. John Conyers Jr.
At least five other formerly illegal immigrants were scheduled to be guests at Tuesday’s State of the Union address, though each of those has been granted specific tentative legal status through one of the Homeland Security Department’s programs.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...lls-congress-not-call-him-ille/#ixzz2Ko9j1o8w

specific tentative legal status ?...Guess thats the new jargon for Obamalaw.

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Illegal immigrant is jargon. It just happens to be the type you prefer.
 
Howey said:
If his parents brought him here as a child he broke no laws.
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He is an immigrant, without legally being in the united states, hence, Illegal immigrant.

I remember a time when people used the words they meant. This is probably the reason I get so many strange looks when I say what I mean.
 
So here is a thought experiment for the pro illegal immigration crowd. If a parent steals an Xbox for their child because they are poor and getting crushed by Obama's economy and it isn't fair that rich kids have an Xbox, should the kid get to keep the Xbox after the parent is caught? I mean using the same logic of the pro illegal immigration crowd, the kid did no wrong right?
 
No one has a problem understanding the rationale for referring to them as illegal immigrants. The dysfunction is in those who don't understand why it is an unwelcomed label.

Thought experiments presented by the thoughtless...

Losing an xbox is not comparable to being ripped out of the only society/culture you know and deported to some strange land based on which side of an imaginary line you were born. A parent who steals an xbox for their child deprives the proper owner of the xbox. By being brought here no other person was deprived of any property. Immigration is not a zero sum game; stealing is.

A more apt analogy would be to compare it to some guy that built his home without getting the proper permit. The state finds out 20-30 years later and decides to tear it down and make his heirs homeless.

Enforcing the law in such a way does not advance justice.
 
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SuperstringTheory said:
No one has a problem understanding the rationale for referring to them as illegal immigrants. The dysfunction is in those who don't understand why it is an unwelcomed label.

Thought experiments presented by the thoughtless...

Losing an xbox is not comparable to being ripped out of the only society/culture you know and deported to some strange land based on which side of an imaginary line you were born. A parent who steals an xbox for their child deprives the proper owner of the xbox. By being brought here no other person was deprived of any property. Immigration is not a zero sum game; stealing is.

A more apt analogy would be to compare it to some guy that built his home without getting the proper permit. The state finds out 20-30 years later and decides to tear it down and make his heirs homeless.

Enforcing the law in such a way does not advance justice.
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It may be an unwelcome label but IT IS ACCURATE.....I don't welcome being labeled a bigot or racist either, and this is inaccurate....
sometimes FACTS are just not easy to accept by some, especially when those FACTS concern minorities, but that won't change reality.
 
I think we're all guilty of a little, or in the case of Bravo, Liberty, and Disillusioned - a LOT - of preconcieved prejudices here.

For some reason, this guy's name rang a bell with me. Then I remembered, he follows me on Twitter.

Jose Antonio Vargas is not hispanic. He's not a slimy Mexican who slipped over the border with his parents years ago as the bigots on this forum assumed.

He is an illegal immigrant, for lack of a better word. He uses the words undocumented immigrant, which is more appropriate.

Jose is a Philipino national who came to this country at the age of 12 to live with his grandfather, who is a legal citizen. He didn't know about his own status until the age of 16 when he tried to get a drivers license.

He's been an outstanding student, scholar, and journalist and was instrumental in the Wash Post's Pulitzer Prize for documenting the Virginia Tech shootings.

He outed himself last year in an attempt to bring the discussion of immigration to the forefront. Apparently, he's succeeded.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/m...documented-immigrant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

My mother wanted to give me a better life, so she sent me thousands of miles away to live with her parents in America — my grandfather (Lolo in Tagalog) and grandmother (Lola). After I arrived in Mountain View, Calif., in the San Francisco Bay Area, I entered sixth grade and quickly grew to love my new home, family and culture. I discovered a passion for language, though it was hard to learn the difference between formal English and American slang. One of my early memories is of a freckled kid in middle school asking me, “What’s up?” I replied, “The sky,” and he and a couple of other kids laughed. I won the eighth-grade spelling bee by memorizing words I couldn’t properly pronounce. (The winning word was “indefatigable.”)

One day when I was 16, I rode my bike to the nearby D.M.V. office to get my driver’s permit. Some of my friends already had their licenses, so I figured it was time. But when I handed the clerk my green card as proof of U.S. residency, she flipped it around, examining it. “This is fake,” she whispered. “Don’t come back here again.”
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Howey said:
I think we're all guilty of a little, or in the case of Bravo, Liberty, and Disillusioned - a LOT - of preconcieved prejudices here.

For some reason, this guy's name rang a bell with me. Then I remembered, he follows me on Twitter.

Jose Antonio Vargas is not hispanic. He's not a slimy Mexican who slipped over the border with his parents years ago as the bigots on this forum assumed.

He is an illegal immigrant, for lack of a better word. He uses the words undocumented immigrant, which is more appropriate.

Jose is a Philipino national who came to this country at the age of 12 to live with his grandfather, who is a legal citizen. He didn't know about his own status until the age of 16 when he tried to get a drivers license.

He's been an outstanding student, scholar, and journalist and was instrumental in the Wash Post's Pulitzer Prize for documenting the Virginia Tech shootings.

He outed himself last year in an attempt to bring the discussion of immigration to the forefront. Apparently, he's succeeded.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/m...documented-immigrant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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I don't care if he is Mexican, Filipino, Russian, Chinese, or from Mars...if he is here without going through the process of legal entry, he is here illegally....
the therefore he is by definition, and illegal alien....
Because hes a wonderful guy, a good worker and otherwise law abiding, is irrelevant....the US Code, 8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien is plain.

Just because pinheads like you want to use euphemisms instead of plain, unadorned English don't change his status....
A garbageman is still a garbageman even if you prefer sanitation engineer...
 
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NOVA said:
It may be an unwelcome label but IT IS ACCURATE.....I don't welcome being labeled a bigot or racist either, and this is inaccurate....
sometimes FACTS are just not easy to accept by some, especially when those FACTS concern minorities, but that won't change reality.
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According to you, you are not a bigot. But see, when people call you a bigot or racist they mean to be confrontational and to challenge the views you are expressing. With "illegal immigrant" you are creating a confrontation over some silly technicality about the status of someone's legal residence. It's your choice.

We have all heard your song and dance about how hard it is for dumbfuck racists to suffer for their intolerance. It's gotten old and nobody who matters cares.
 
SuperstringTheory said:
According to you, you are not a bigot. But see, when people call you a bigot or racist they mean to be confrontational and to challenge the views you are expressing. With "illegal immigrant" you are creating a confrontation over some silly technicality about the status of someone's legal residence. It's your choice.

We have all heard your song and dance about how hard it is for dumbfuck racists to suffer for their intolerance. It's gotten old and nobody who matters cares.
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We all know that Bravo would have never started this thread if the guys name was McNamara.

But he had to go all bigot on a Hispanic sounding name and assume he was what he would call a greasy Mexican.
 
I was aware that he was Fillipino as his story is well known to me.

noBRAva, grabageman or sanitation engineer does not have any bearing on the reality of what the person does and one is no more necessary than the other. If someone wants to be called a sanitation engineer who cares?

You have been told this countless times before but here it goes again... the majority of people labeled as illegal immigrant entered legally. Calling them illegal immigrants is not really all that accurate. It is not clear that Vargas entered illegally. Do you have other information?
 
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I was aware that he was Fillipino as his story is well known to me.

noBRAva, grabagemane or sanitation engineer does not have any bearing on the reality of what the person does and one is no more necessary than the other. If someone wants to be called a sanitation engineer who cares?

You have been told this countless times before but here it goes again... the majority of people labeled as illegal immigrant entered legally. Calling them illegal immigrants is not really all that accurate. It is not clear that Vargas entered illegally. Do you have other information?
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Thats the point....calling a garbage man, a sanitation engineer doesn't change his status...in plain unadorned English, he collects garbage, thus, he is a garbageman...

Same with an illegal alien, illegal immigrant, etc....he IS here illegally, and in plain unadorned English, he or she is an illegal whatever....
using a euphemism won't change that fact...

Tolerance has nothing to do with the accuracy of calling a spade a spade...or if you prefer, a club a club....

This, from the link..."Mr. Vargas, who “came out” as an illegal immigrant several years ago, delivered an emotional plea for the country to legalize him.

So I don't see whats unclear to you.....

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...lls-congress-not-call-him-ille/#ixzz2KtnGJWpY

like I said before....speaking factually and truthfully, especially when it concerns minorities, puts one at risk of being called a bigot or racist....
some of you just can't seem to accept the truth about some issues....
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