Will Russia have to surrender to Ukraine?

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This is a synopsis from Sir Lawrence Freedman, professor of war studies, Kings College, London:

(I am going to have to paraphrase him)


Russia has a formidable army, but it hasn't been deployed very effectively, and they've underestimated the resistance they would face.

> This is partly due to hubris and arrogance of Russian political leadership ( not necessarily the field commanders)

Russia had plenty of time to plan a blitz offensive, where their major objectives would be met in 24 to 36 hours.

> But at this time, Russia has lost the initiative, and does not hold one single major Ukrainian city.

Ukraine will be a difficult country to occupy; it is the size of France and has 40 million people.

Even if the Ukranian Army is seriously degraded, an insurgency can be maintained, because Ukraine has a long, porous western border with European countries through which arms can be provisioned

Putin's offer of negotiations is a ruse. No commander agrees to a ceasefire until their soldiers are in optimum positions. Russian troops are bogged down and do not hold any major cities yet.


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Putin needs an 'off ramp'. A face-saving option. Someone needs to come up with that option. I don't know what it is.
The West still needs to supply Ukraine to maintain a Stalemate on the Battlefield.
 
The 'Donbass'? I don't know much about that.

"The Donbas or Donbass is a historical, cultural, and economic region in south-eastern Ukraine, some of whose territory is occupied by separatist groups in the course of the Russo-Ukrainian War: the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic. Wikipedia"
 
What's Vlad gonna do?

His army certainly has penetrated deep into Ukraine. What is the end game here?

Kill Zelensky and his family like the commies killed Anastasia and her family? I don't get it. That doesn't make sense.

Yeah, I get that the regime change thing is bad, and Zelensky is a regime change install.

The regime changers are to blame for all of this if you ask me.

How many lives have these regime changers ruined? They need to be tried in a world court and executed.

Libya, Iran, Kiev, where else? Somalia?
 
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Jack said:
Putin needs an 'off ramp'.
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> The surrender of Russian armed forces on Ukranian territory, and their withdrawal back to their own country.


CNN: "On Sunday, Ukrainian forces successfully repelled a Russian advance on a strategic airfield near Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city, which has been under near-constant attack."

"In addition to a fierce fightback from Ukrainian forces and civilians, the Russian invasion has suffered logistical challenges, with soldiers on the front line running short of fuel, ammunition and food. They are having problems,"
 
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Cypress said:
This is a synopsis from Sir Lawrence Freedman, professor of war studies, Kings College, London:

(I am going to have to paraphrase him)


Russia has a formidable army, but it hasn't been deployed very effectively, and they've underestimated the resistance they would face.

> This is partly due to hubris and arrogance of Russian political leadership ( not necessarily the field commanders)

Russia had plenty of time to plan a blitz offensive, where their major objectives would be met in 24 to 36 hours.

> But at this time, Russia has lost the initiative, and does not hold one single major Ukrainian city.

Ukraine will be a difficult country to occupy; it is the size of France and has 40 million people.

Even if the Ukranian Army is seriously degraded, an insurgency can be maintained, because Ukraine has a long, porous western border with European countries through which arms can be provisioned

Putin's offer of negotiations is a ruse. No commander agrees to a ceasefire until their soldiers are in optimum positions. Russian troops are bogged down and do not hold any major cities yet.


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Do you suspect that they'll attempt to assassinate the Ukrainians during the meeting?

Keeping the occupying force supplied is an issue as well.
 
Cypress said:
> The surrender of Russian armed forces on Ukranian territory, and their withdrawal back to their own country.


CNN: "On Sunday, Ukrainian forces successfully repelled a Russian advance on a strategic airfield near Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city, which has been under near-constant attack."

"In addition to a fierce fightback from Ukrainian forces and civilians, the Russian invasion has suffered logistical challenges, with soldiers on the front line running short of fuel, ammunition and food. They are having problems,"
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Hopefully, something comes*out of these 'Talks' on the Belarus/Ukraine Border.
 
AProudLefty said:

>Russia invades Ukraine
>It's Biden's fault
>Russia surrenders
>Trump wins again


You just watch.
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I was thinking the same thing. There is no scenario in which Biden excercise the powers of the presidency wisely in MAGA world.

Just yesterday, a Deplorable was cheering Germany for sending anti tank missiles, while excoriating Biden for doing nothing
The fact is, Biden was sending anti tank missiles and anti aircraft missiles before Putin invaded, while Germany was still sitting on it's hands. Germany was late in getting of it's ass.
 
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