Why will no one admit the way some Rs raise their children is fomenting terror?
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Quote Originally Posted by Moonflower View Post
What you do is keep a close watch on foreign clerics preaching in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter. If any are found to be fomenting Jihad and railing against Jews then the mosque should be shut down as they do in France until they clean up their act. All madrasas and Muslim faith based schools should also be closely monitored for incitement to racial hatred, they even do this in Pakistan.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...wn-on-madrasas
You are aware, are you not, that we are not in the UK or France? You know we are not in Pakistan, yes?
I'm going to take it that you are aware of these facts, but it seems from your comments that you are unaware of the concept of national sovereignty.
What gives the United States of America the right to "keep a close watch on foreign clerics" preaching anywhere at all? Even here at home?
Our Constitution forbids such scrutiny under its guarantees of freedom of religion.
George Washington once wrote to Alexander Hamilton that if another country can tell the United States, "...what we shall do, and what we shall not do, we have independence yet to seek, and have contended hitherto for very little."
In other words, if we let someone else tell us what to do inside our own country, then we are not an independent, sovereign nation and have fought all this time for nothing."
Now, apply that to say, Pakistan, which is an independent, sovereign nation. Or France. Or England. Or any nation recognized as sovereign. We have absolutely no right to "keep a close watch" on anyone without their permission. And if we do it with their permission then we make ourselves that much less American because we trample the values on which our own country was founded.
And that giving in to fear and suspicion, which in turn becomes hatred and bigotry, isn't one-sided. And here comes the big message.
If we believe that we have the right to subject others to extra scrutiny, bigotry, hatred, religious intolerance and suspicion, then we must believe that those people automatically have the right to subject us to extra scrutiny, bigotry, hatred, religious intolerance and suspicion.
And that, Moonflower, is very often where war comes from.
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Quote Originally Posted by Moonflower View Post
What you do is keep a close watch on foreign clerics preaching in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter. If any are found to be fomenting Jihad and railing against Jews then the mosque should be shut down as they do in France until they clean up their act. All madrasas and Muslim faith based schools should also be closely monitored for incitement to racial hatred, they even do this in Pakistan.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...wn-on-madrasas
You are aware, are you not, that we are not in the UK or France? You know we are not in Pakistan, yes?
I'm going to take it that you are aware of these facts, but it seems from your comments that you are unaware of the concept of national sovereignty.
What gives the United States of America the right to "keep a close watch on foreign clerics" preaching anywhere at all? Even here at home?
Our Constitution forbids such scrutiny under its guarantees of freedom of religion.
George Washington once wrote to Alexander Hamilton that if another country can tell the United States, "...what we shall do, and what we shall not do, we have independence yet to seek, and have contended hitherto for very little."
In other words, if we let someone else tell us what to do inside our own country, then we are not an independent, sovereign nation and have fought all this time for nothing."
Now, apply that to say, Pakistan, which is an independent, sovereign nation. Or France. Or England. Or any nation recognized as sovereign. We have absolutely no right to "keep a close watch" on anyone without their permission. And if we do it with their permission then we make ourselves that much less American because we trample the values on which our own country was founded.
And that giving in to fear and suspicion, which in turn becomes hatred and bigotry, isn't one-sided. And here comes the big message.
If we believe that we have the right to subject others to extra scrutiny, bigotry, hatred, religious intolerance and suspicion, then we must believe that those people automatically have the right to subject us to extra scrutiny, bigotry, hatred, religious intolerance and suspicion.
And that, Moonflower, is very often where war comes from.
damn
game over