Why It’s Almost Impossible To Build A Natural Gas Pipeline In The US

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Why do fucks like the Sierra Club have so much power? All of this useless litigation helps no one apart from greedy avaricious law firms and eco-twats whilst the price of energy goes up and up.


Why It's Almost Impossible To Build A Natural Gas Pipeline In The US


Here’s a hard political reality behind high energy prices: It has become nearly impossible to build a natural gas pipeline in the U.S.

Consider West Virginia’s Mountain Valley pipeline, which has come under a relentless siege by green groups and activists in judicial robes. While more than 90% complete, the pipeline is in danger of getting canceled.

The 304-mile interstate pipeline aims to deliver natural gas from Appalachia’s Marcellus and Utica shale deposits to the mid- and south-Atlantic regions.

A pipeline shortage has reduced the incentive for drillers to produce more natural gas. Yet states in the mid- and south Atlantic desperately need more gas as their populations grow.

Federal regulators have signed off on most of Mountain Valley’s environmental permits, but greens have filed lawsuits at every turn.

Oddly, their repeated challenges keep landing before the same Fourth Circuit three-judge panel of Roger Gregory, James Wynn, and Stephanie Thacker, even though cases are supposed to be assigned to judges at random.

These same three judges also blocked a permit for the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, only to be overruled by a 7-2 Supreme Court majority in 2020.

A few weeks later, Duke Energy and Dominion Energy canceled the pipeline, blaming exploding costs, delays, and uncertainty from future litigation. They probably saw what was happening to Mountain Valley.

The three judges keep nit-picking Mountain Valley’s environmental analyses. Each time the company rolls the boulder up the mountain, the judges roll it back down.

The protections for endangered species are never good enough. For instance, although the panel found only minor fault with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s study of logperch and candy darter in streams, the judges in February vacated the agency’s entire biological opinion.

Yet they declined to address several other liberal groups’ complaints, inviting them to raise the points in a subsequent challenge to a new biological opinion.

The Mountain Valley pipeline is nearly 95% complete, and most of the remaining work relates to stream and wetland crossings, national forest lands, and final environmental restoration that require federal and state permits.

This last 5% could take years since green groups have now also asked the Fourth Circuit to block permits issued by West Virginia and Virginia.

If the pipeline isn’t complete by October 2022, and on its current course it won’t be, the developers will have to ask the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to extend its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. Green groups will surely challenge the extension.

Mountain Valley was supposed to start operating in 2018, but it may never do so. Its costs have ballooned to $6.6 billion from $3.8 billion as a result of the litigation.

After the Fourth Circuit’s latest decision, MVP investor NextEra announced an $800 million impairment charge—which followed a $1.5 billion writedown in 2020—and that it is reevaluating its investment.

“As a result of [our] evaluation, it was determined that the continued legal and regulatory challenges have resulted in a very low probability of pipeline completion,” NextEra said. Its political opponents are ecstatic.

“The MVP is not inevitable,” the Sierra Club gloats.

Mountain Valley’s Sisyphean struggle will surely discourage new pipeline investment, which is needed to increase U.S. liquefied natural gas exports and provide reliable power.

Why are progressives and judges assisting Vladimir Putin’s leverage over the world’s natural gas market?

Each time the company rolls the boulder up the mountain, the judges roll it back down.

The protections for endangered species are never good enough. For instance, although the panel found only minor fault with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s study of logperch and candy darter in streams, the judges in February vacated the agency’s entire biological opinion.

Yet they declined to address several other liberal groups’ complaints, inviting them to raise the points in a subsequent challenge to a new biological opinion.

The Mountain Valley pipeline is nearly 95% complete, and most of the remaining work relates to stream and wetland crossings, national forest lands, and final environmental restoration that require federal and state permits.

This last 5% could take years since green groups have now also asked the Fourth Circuit to block permits issued by West Virginia and Virginia.

If the pipeline isn’t complete by October 2022, and on its current course it won’t be, the developers will have to ask the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to extend its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. Green groups will surely challenge the extension.

Mountain Valley was supposed to start operating in 2018, but it may never do so. Its costs have ballooned to $6.6 billion from $3.8 billion as a result of the litigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/green-...e-fourth-circuit-court-of-appeals-11648155967
 
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Oddly, their repeated challenges keep landing before the same Fourth Circuit three-judge panel of Roger Gregory, James Wynn, and Stephanie Thacker, even though cases are supposed to be assigned to judges at random.

These same three judges also blocked a permit for the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, only to be overruled by a 7-2 Supreme Court majority in 2020.

A few weeks later, Duke Energy and Dominion Energy canceled the pipeline, blaming exploding costs, delays, and uncertainty from future litigation. They probably saw what was happening to Mountain Valley.

The three judges keep nit-picking Mountain Valley’s environmental analyses. Each time the company rolls the boulder up the mountain, the judges roll it back down.

The protections for endangered species are never good enough. For instance, although the panel found only minor fault with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s study of logperch and candy darter in streams, the judges in February vacated the agency’s entire biological opinion.


If the pipeline isn’t complete by October 2022, and on its current course it won’t be, the developers will have to ask the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to extend its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. Green groups will surely challenge the extension.

Mountain Valley was supposed to start operating in 2018, but it may never do so.
shit like this is why we cant get anything done even in the middle of an energy shortage
 
For instance, although the panel found only minor fault with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s study of logperch and candy darter in streams, the judges in February vacated the agency’s entire biological opinion.

Yet they declined to address several other liberal groups’ complaints, inviting them to raise the points in a subsequent challenge to a new biological opinion.
another species of darter holds up US gas pipeline. last time it was the snail darter ( which nobody cares about either)
 
This is how the Left has to get most of their agenda done. They can't get the public to agree. They can't go to court in front of random judges because they'll lose. So, they shop judges and go before allies getting the courts to legislate from the bench. It doesn't help when there's a Leftist president either. The president can unleash Leftists within the alphabet soup of agencies to foot drag, implement new regulations, and otherwise strangle the shit out of industry and business at every turn.
 
This is how the Left has to get most of their agenda done. They can't get the public to agree. They can't go to court in front of random judges because they'll lose. So, they shop judges and go before allies getting the courts to legislate from the bench. It doesn't help when there's a Leftist president either. The president can unleash Leftists within the alphabet soup of agencies to foot drag, implement new regulations, and otherwise strangle the shit out of industry and business at every turn.

Yes exactly, they've weaponised everything from the court system to the EPA. Look at how the Left squealed when Trump attempted some modest reform at the EPA stopping decisions being taken behind closed doors for instance.
 
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Pipelines of every kind are nasty and dangerous business.

Do you need some examples?

From 1994 through 2013, the U.S. had 745 serious incidents with gas distribution, causing 278 fatalities and 1059 injuries, with $110,658,083 in property damage.

From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 110 serious incidents with gas transmission, resulting in 41 fatalities, 195 injuries, and $448,900,333 in property damage.

From 1994 through 2013, there were an additional 941 serious incidents with gas all system type, resulting in 363 fatalities, 1392 injuries, and $823,970,000 in property damage.

A recent Wall Street Journal review found that there were 1,400 pipeline spills and accidents in the U.S. 2010–2013. According to the Journal review, four in every five pipeline accidents are discovered by local residents, not the companies that own the pipelines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents
 
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You're a simpleton, you ought to be embarrassed.

You're a reckless idiot that don't care about the loss of human or animal lives or the environment.

I didn't say whether I approved or disapproved of pipelines- I just stated some of the reasons why some people are cautious and very concerned about Gas Pipelines and presented the facts and history of incidents involving pipelines of a 20 year stretch.

And you wonder why people may not want a pipeline in their backyard!

Sir- you should be the one who is embarrassed!

 
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You're a reckless idiot that don't care about the loss of human or animal lives or the environment.

I didn't say whether I approved or disapproved of pipelines- I just stated some of the reasons why some people are cautious and very concerned about Gas Pipelines and presented the facts and history of incidents involving pipelines of a 20 year stretch.

And you wonder why people may not want a pipeline in their backyard!

Sir- you should be the one who is embarrassed!


Yes I am embarrassed, for you. Unless you live in West Virginia what concern is it of yours anyway? It's only because of fracking, both gas and oil, that the Russians and Saudi stranglehold on energy has been weakened. Stay a fool if you wish, but leave me out of your simplistic and emotional bullshittery.
 
This is how the Left has to get most of their agenda done. They can't get the public to agree. They can't go to court in front of random judges because they'll lose. So, they shop judges and go before allies getting the courts to legislate from the bench. It doesn't help when there's a Leftist president either. The president can unleash Leftists within the alphabet soup of agencies to foot drag, implement new regulations, and otherwise strangle the shit out of industry and business at every turn.

Dude, this pipeline approval process is not a political sport!

There are people of every walk of life, religion, and political party, that are against pipelines being built near their property- or even in their counties or states!

The XL pipeline events were turned into a political sport by Donald Trump and all you Trumpanzees shit your britches over the cancellation of it. So that was a rare exception.

But, because of the 1,000's of examples of pipeline disasters over the years, and the Gas industry's poor record of preventing them, has everyone concerned including millions of Republicans across vast areas of mostly red states!

But go ahead and take your usual political shit here for all to see!
 
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Dude, this pipeline approval process is not a political sport!

There are people of every walk of life, religion, and political party, that are against pipelines being built near their property.

The XL pipeline was turned into a political sport by Donald Trump and all you Trumpanzees shit your britches over the cancellation of it. So that was a rare exception.

But, because of the 100's of examples of pipeline disasters over the years, and the Gas industry's poor record of preventing them, has everyone concerned including millions of Republicans across vast areas of most red states!

Compared to rail and trucking accidents, pipeline accidents are rare.

The XL shouldn't have been cancelled. Joke did that on a whim, not science, nor on some legal standing, but rather because he could.
 
Compared to rail and trucking accidents, pipeline accidents are rare.

The XL shouldn't have been cancelled. Joke did that on a whim, not science, nor on some legal standing, but rather because he could.

You're wasting your time with the Gecko, his intellect is barely above reptilian. There is an insatiable need for cheap natural gas worldwide and all these fuckers do is stand in the way creaming off huge fees in the process. The Sierra Club should all be summarily shot for treason.
 
Compared to rail and trucking accidents, pipeline accidents are rare.

The XL shouldn't have been cancelled. Joke did that on a whim, not science, nor on some legal standing, but rather because he could.

Dude, the only reason why Trump re-initiated the XL pipeline was because Obama cancelled it. Trump hates Obama, and Canada and it's leader and it's people.

Had he been the one in office when Obama cancelled it, Trump would have canceled it himself. Trump purposely undid everything Obama did deliberately for the mere reason to gain support from the foaming-at-the-mouth Obama haters.

And turnabout became fair play when Biden gave Trump and his TRUMPANZEES a little taste of their own medicine and cancelled the XL pipeline when he came into office- BUT NOT BECAUSE TRUMP WANTED IT- RUT RATHER FOR THE VERY SAME GOOD REASONS WHY OBAMA CANCELLED IT TO BEGIN WITH!

But that was the only reason why you Trumpanzees gave even one runny squirt of shit about the XL pipeline. BECAUSE TRUMP REALLY SHOWED OBAMA! And then Biden tore your little XL playhouse down. And then your panties went right back up in your crack again!

You TRUMP fuckers amaze me with your relentless rancor, pettiness, vendictiveness, and peevishness.
 
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You're wasting your time with the Gecko, his intellect is barely above reptilian. There is an insatiable need for cheap natural gas worldwide and all these fuckers do is stand in the way creaming off huge fees in the process. The Sierra Club should all be summarily shot for treason.

38% of electricity production comes from gas, does this cretin live in the dark and only uses candles, what drives the fool's power tools for making ukeleles?

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Why do fucks like the Sierra Club have so much power? All of this useless litigation helps no one apart from greedy avaricious law firms and eco-twats whilst the price of energy goes up and up.


Why It's Almost Impossible To Build A Natural Gas Pipeline In The US


Here’s a hard political reality behind high energy prices: It has become nearly impossible to build a natural gas pipeline in the U.S.

Consider West Virginia’s Mountain Valley pipeline, which has come under a relentless siege by green groups and activists in judicial robes. While more than 90% complete, the pipeline is in danger of getting canceled.

The 304-mile interstate pipeline aims to deliver natural gas from Appalachia’s Marcellus and Utica shale deposits to the mid- and south-Atlantic regions.

A pipeline shortage has reduced the incentive for drillers to produce more natural gas. Yet states in the mid- and south Atlantic desperately need more gas as their populations grow.

Federal regulators have signed off on most of Mountain Valley’s environmental permits, but greens have filed lawsuits at every turn.

Oddly, their repeated challenges keep landing before the same Fourth Circuit three-judge panel of Roger Gregory, James Wynn, and Stephanie Thacker, even though cases are supposed to be assigned to judges at random.

These same three judges also blocked a permit for the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, only to be overruled by a 7-2 Supreme Court majority in 2020.

A few weeks later, Duke Energy and Dominion Energy canceled the pipeline, blaming exploding costs, delays, and uncertainty from future litigation. They probably saw what was happening to Mountain Valley.

The three judges keep nit-picking Mountain Valley’s environmental analyses. Each time the company rolls the boulder up the mountain, the judges roll it back down.

The protections for endangered species are never good enough. For instance, although the panel found only minor fault with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s study of logperch and candy darter in streams, the judges in February vacated the agency’s entire biological opinion.

Yet they declined to address several other liberal groups’ complaints, inviting them to raise the points in a subsequent challenge to a new biological opinion.

The Mountain Valley pipeline is nearly 95% complete, and most of the remaining work relates to stream and wetland crossings, national forest lands, and final environmental restoration that require federal and state permits.

This last 5% could take years since green groups have now also asked the Fourth Circuit to block permits issued by West Virginia and Virginia.

If the pipeline isn’t complete by October 2022, and on its current course it won’t be, the developers will have to ask the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to extend its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. Green groups will surely challenge the extension.

Mountain Valley was supposed to start operating in 2018, but it may never do so. Its costs have ballooned to $6.6 billion from $3.8 billion as a result of the litigation.

After the Fourth Circuit’s latest decision, MVP investor NextEra announced an $800 million impairment charge—which followed a $1.5 billion writedown in 2020—and that it is reevaluating its investment.

“As a result of [our] evaluation, it was determined that the continued legal and regulatory challenges have resulted in a very low probability of pipeline completion,” NextEra said. Its political opponents are ecstatic.

“The MVP is not inevitable,” the Sierra Club gloats.

Mountain Valley’s Sisyphean struggle will surely discourage new pipeline investment, which is needed to increase U.S. liquefied natural gas exports and provide reliable power.

Why are progressives and judges assisting Vladimir Putin’s leverage over the world’s natural gas market?

Each time the company rolls the boulder up the mountain, the judges roll it back down.

The protections for endangered species are never good enough. For instance, although the panel found only minor fault with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s study of logperch and candy darter in streams, the judges in February vacated the agency’s entire biological opinion.

Yet they declined to address several other liberal groups’ complaints, inviting them to raise the points in a subsequent challenge to a new biological opinion.

The Mountain Valley pipeline is nearly 95% complete, and most of the remaining work relates to stream and wetland crossings, national forest lands, and final environmental restoration that require federal and state permits.

This last 5% could take years since green groups have now also asked the Fourth Circuit to block permits issued by West Virginia and Virginia.

If the pipeline isn’t complete by October 2022, and on its current course it won’t be, the developers will have to ask the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to extend its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. Green groups will surely challenge the extension.

Mountain Valley was supposed to start operating in 2018, but it may never do so. Its costs have ballooned to $6.6 billion from $3.8 billion as a result of the litigation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/green-...e-fourth-circuit-court-of-appeals-11648155967

Consider the following facts and I would advise you to not solely depend on unofficial sources.

Natural gas explained
Natural gas pipelines

Consider the basics:
The U.S. natural gas pipeline network is a highly integrated network that moves natural gas throughout the continental United States. The pipeline network has about 3 million miles of mainline and other pipelines that link natural gas production areas and storage facilities with consumers. In 2020, this natural gas transportation network delivered about 27.7 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of natural gas to about 77.3 million customers.

What makes up this transportation network?
Transporting natural gas from production areas to consumers involves a series of steps that are generally carried out in the following order:

Gathering systems, primarily made up of small-diameter, low-pressure pipelines, move raw natural gas from the wellhead to a natural gas processing plant or to an interconnection with a larger mainline pipeline.
Natural gas processing plants separate hydrocarbon gas liquids, nonhydrocarbon gases, and water from the natural gas before the natural gas is delivered into a mainline transmission system.
Wide-diameter, high-pressure interstate transmission pipelines that cross state boundaries and intrastate transmission pipelines that operate within state boundaries transport natural gas from the producing and processing areas to storage facilities and distribution centers. Compressor stations (or pumping stations) on the pipeline network keep the natural gas flowing forward through the pipeline system.
Local distribution companies deliver natural gas to consumers through small-diameter, lower pressure service lines."

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/natural-gas/natural-gas-pipelines.php
 
Consider the following facts and I would advise you to not solely depend on unofficial sources.

Natural gas explained
Natural gas pipelines

Consider the basics:
The U.S. natural gas pipeline network is a highly integrated network that moves natural gas throughout the continental United States. The pipeline network has about 3 million miles of mainline and other pipelines that link natural gas production areas and storage facilities with consumers. In 2020, this natural gas transportation network delivered about 27.7 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of natural gas to about 77.3 million customers.

What makes up this transportation network?
Transporting natural gas from production areas to consumers involves a series of steps that are generally carried out in the following order:

Gathering systems, primarily made up of small-diameter, low-pressure pipelines, move raw natural gas from the wellhead to a natural gas processing plant or to an interconnection with a larger mainline pipeline.
Natural gas processing plants separate hydrocarbon gas liquids, nonhydrocarbon gases, and water from the natural gas before the natural gas is delivered into a mainline transmission system.
Wide-diameter, high-pressure interstate transmission pipelines that cross state boundaries and intrastate transmission pipelines that operate within state boundaries transport natural gas from the producing and processing areas to storage facilities and distribution centers. Compressor stations (or pumping stations) on the pipeline network keep the natural gas flowing forward through the pipeline system.
Local distribution companies deliver natural gas to consumers through small-diameter, lower pressure service lines."

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/natural-gas/natural-gas-pipelines.php

Wow, a factual post from one of the most unlikely of sources.
 
Dude, the only reason why Trump re-initiated the XL pipeline was because Obama cancelled it. Trump hates Obama, and Canada and it's leader and it's people.

Had he been the one in office when Obama cancelled it, Trump would have canceled it himself. Trump purposely undid everything Obama did deliberately for the mere reason to gain support from the foaming-at-the-mouth Obama haters.

And turnabout became fair play when Biden gave Trump and his TRUMPANZEES a little taste of their own medicine and cancelled the XL pipeline when he came into office- BUT NOT BECAUSE TRUMP WANTED IT- RUT RATHER FOR THE VERY SAME GOOD REASONS WHY OBAMA CANCELLED IT TO BEGIN WITH!

But that was the only reason why you Trumpanzees gave even one runny squirt of shit about the XL pipeline. BECAUSE TRUMP REALLY SHOWED OBAMA! And then Biden tore your little XL playhouse down. And then your panties went right back up in your crack again!

You TRUMP fuckers amaze me with your relentless rancor, pettiness, vendictiveness, and peevishness.

You're insane!
 
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