When a Picture is Worth 1,000 Words

[Guns Guns Guns]

Yea....real left wing. It came from CMS under the Dept of Health and Human Services.

But when a reichwing opinion piece is cited they all say

 

[tinfoil]

lol mott the warmer falls back on calling me a GED. I majored in finance at west conn. I know what the fuck I'm talking about. You keynesian retards are textbook parrots. You ain't got a critical bone in your body and you rely on appeals to authority to make your case. LOL warmers and econotards are the same group.

they really don't know the math

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

lol mott the warmer falls back on calling me a GED. I majored in finance at west conn. I know what the fuck I'm talking about. You keynesian retards are textbook parrots. You ain't got a critical bone in your body and you rely on appeals to authority to make your case. LOL warmers and econotards are the same group. they really don't know the math

So post a source, finance major.

 

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what evidence? It's common knowledge that medicare only covers some of the costs and healthcare providers are focred to bury the costs in other patients. Are you seriously going to play denier?

It is common knowledge that doctors are not forced to treat medicare patients. Try again.

 

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You don't know what you're talking about. It's the high cost of insurance premiums with high deductibles which has virtually eliminated the private family practitioner. The reason medicare pays only a portion of the Bill is that physicians don't charge consistant prices and most of them, particularly specialist, will charge what the market will bear. Not what patients can afford. So the compromise with Medicare is that though they get paid less they make up for that by volume. The elderly are, after all, the most prone segment of our society for accidents, illness and injury.

And who the hell do you think make up the bulk of the patients of those specialist? The elderly? Why? Cause they get sick and injured the most so your comment is not only contradicotry as hell, it shows you know virtually nothing about patient care. What's really driving the best internist and family practice and private practice into specialization is the strangle hold monopoly that the Private Insurance companies have on how Doctors get paid. Which is virtually nothing for primary portal care, preventative care, chronic care and basic family care which makes up the over whelming majority of patient visits.

You should actually go study up on the history of medicare and why it was created in the first place and then go study some actual statistics on patient care on patient demographics and epidemiology before you go popping off at the mouth with your ignorant "Socialist" scare tactics.

Legion was right.....ya'll don't have facts.....you have scare tactics.

What I can't understand about you obtuse right wingers is the mountains of evidence by other nations who have implemented these types of reforms who spend half of what we do, have far broader access and availability of health care and achieve vastly superior outcome then the US does.......and all you got is your "socialist" bogeyman.

It must be tough being so afraid of life that your even afraid of what has been proven to be a better way.

notice legion troll never once asked your for a citation. that is because as long the information comes from a left winger it must be the truth.

legion self pwns himself again and shows he is nothing more than a whiny partisan hack troll with no life.

 

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So post a source, finance major.

yet another demand for cites when the information does not fit your hack world view. why didn't you ask mott for any cites? oh yeah....that because whenever you get your informatiuon from a left wing source, IT MUST BE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

another legion fail

 

[Rune]

Is Yurt deranged or just stupid?

 

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Is Yurt deranged or just stupid?

such intelligent debate, way to offer something mr. whiner

why do you constantly whine and moan about others attacking and/or not offering anything of substance and then turn around and offer pretty much nothing but attacks. 70% of your posts are ad homs. you have contributed zero to this thread.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

The source for Ken's chart is https://www.cms.gov/nationalhealthexpenddata/02_nationalhealthaccountshistorical.asp, as you'd know if you'd read the posts.

 

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cite that he used that specific data. further, cite he did not manipulate the data to serve his own agenda....you know, like you and your far left wing rabid, frothing at the mouth anti gun sites...always skewing the data.

there is so much more data and analysis in order to make his claim. that is a fact, don't like it, i don't care, you hate facts and truth anyway.

 

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Yea....real left wing. It came from CMS under the Dept of Health and Human Services.

lmao...this is where legion "learned" the source of krugman's data.....notice the loser hypocrite troll doesn't ask mott for a cite, he simply believes a lefty regardless.

another self burn legion!

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Is Yurt deranged or just stupid?

Both, I'd say.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Yurtard thinks CMS is a left-wing site, LULZ.

The National Health Expenditure Accounts (NHEA) are the official estimates of total health care spending in the United States. Dating back to 1960, the NHEA measures annual U.S. expenditures for health care goods and services, public health activities, government administration, the net cost of health insurance, and research and other investment related to health care. The data are presented by type of service, sources of funding, and by sponsors.
U.S. health care spending growth decelerated in 2009, increasing 4.0 percent compared to 4.7 percent in 2008. Total health expenditures reached $2.5 trillion, which translates to $8,086 per person or 17.6 percent of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, up from 16.6 percent in 2008.


https://www.cms.gov/nationalhealthexpenddata/02_nationalhealthaccountshistorical.asp

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee
Medicare only pays a portion of the actual bill. The remainder is borne by the provider, who is forbidden to try and re-coup the remaining costs from the patient. That's why some doctors don't take medicare patients, because they don't feel its in their best interests to subsidize the government beyond what they already pay in taxes.

The result is that the best doctors tend to stay out of geriatric care and go into other specialties where their patients are younger and not on Medicare. So the old folks tend to get the lesser quality doctors.

You don't know what you're talking about. It's the high cost of insurance premiums with high deductibles which has virtually eliminated the private family practitioner. The reason medicare pays only a portion of the Bill is that physicians don't charge consistant prices and most of them, particularly specialist, will charge what the market will bear. Not what patients can afford. So the compromise with Medicare is that though they get paid less they make up for that by volume. The elderly are, after all, the most prone segment of our society for accidents, illness and injury.

And who the hell do you think make up the bulk of the patients of those specialist? The elderly? Why? Cause they get sick and injured the most so your comment is not only contradicotry as hell, it shows you know virtually nothing about patient care. What's really driving the best internist and family practice and private practice into specialization is the strangle hold monopoly that the Private Insurance companies have on how Doctors get paid. Which is virtually nothing for primary portal care, preventative care, chronic care and basic family care which makes up the over whelming majority of patient visits.

You should actually go study up on the history of medicare and why it was created in the first place and then go study some actual statistics on patient care on patient demographics and epidemiology before you go popping off at the mouth with your ignorant "Socialist" scare tactics.

Legion was right.....ya'll don't have facts.....you have scare tactics.

What I can't understand about you obtuse right wingers is the mountains of evidence by other nations who have implemented these types of reforms who spend half of what we do, have far broader access and availability of health care and achieve vastly superior outcome then the US does.......and all you got is your "socialist" bogeyman.

It must be tough being so afraid of life that your even afraid of what has been proven to be a better way.

Well said! The neocon parrots that blindly support Ryan and his ilk rely heavily on their supposition and conjecture while leaving out important little details. Also, if their personal boat is floating, they just dont' give a damn about anyone else....which buys into the insurance company backed neocon mantras of "socialist/communist ideals from Europe are out to git ya!"

People have short memories, or don't know squat beyond their own birthdays because when Nixon ushered in the HMO, things REALLY took a turn for the worst regarding health insurance http://www.bestsyndication.com/2005/Nicole-WILSON/081005-HMO-Plan-History.htm

 

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Yurtard thinks CMS is a left-wing site, LULZ.

The National Health Expenditure Accounts (NHEA) are the official estimates of total health care spending in the United States. Dating back to 1960, the NHEA measures annual U.S. expenditures for health care goods and services, public health activities, government administration, the net cost of health insurance, and research and other investment related to health care. The data are presented by type of service, sources of funding, and by sponsors.
U.S. health care spending growth decelerated in 2009, increasing 4.0 percent compared to 4.7 percent in 2008. Total health expenditures reached $2.5 trillion, which translates to $8,086 per person or 17.6 percent of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, up from 16.6 percent in 2008.


https://www.cms.gov/nationalhealthexpenddata/02_nationalhealthaccountshistorical.asp

what a stupid troll liar. cite where i said the CMS is a left wing site....mr. whines about cites yet rarely gives any. i'm still laughing that you had to rely on mott as your "source" for where krugman obtained his data. any other source than mott?

LOL

 

[Topspin]

singleman Kenneth hasn't stepped a single foot in a college.

You can't have medicare cost line without the private line. What a total ignoramous he made out of himself.
Comical
Liberals are bad at economics becuase the few of them that do go to college do liberal arts. You know, now math and science required.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

what a stupid troll liar. cite where i said the CMS is a left wing site....mr. whines about cites yet rarely gives any. i'm still laughing that you had to rely on mott as your "source" for where krugman obtained his data. any other source than mott? LOL

Nice dodge, Yurtard.


I said that you think the source of the citation, which happens to be CMS, is a left-wing site.

i would like to see krugman's

citation for the data he used to create the chart. a far left wing site, using a far left wing opinionator....lol

Is CMS the source of Kens graph in the OP?


Is CMS.gov a far left wing site?


Is the data wrong?


Now, start dancing, you obsessive lil' freak.

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Nice dodge, Yurtard.


I said that you think the source of the citation, which happens to be CMS, is a left-wing site.




Is CMS the source of Kens graph in the OP?


Is CMS.gov a far left wing site?


Is the data wrong?


Now, start dancing, you obsessive lil' freak.

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thanks for admitting i never said the CMS is a left wing site....thus, proving you LIED that i think it is. nothing in this thread would lead any rational person to believe i think the CMS is a left wing site. like i said, you're full of meadowmuffins and rarely post the truth.

you think obama is a muslim terrorist. <--- yeah....dance around that little legion troll

still WAITING for you to provide a link, other than mott's post, that krugman used that data....LOL...demands links but doesn't provide any. thats how you troll....

 

[Taichiliberal]

singleman Kenneth hasn't stepped a single foot in a college.

You can't have medicare cost line without the private line. What a total ignoramous he made out of himself.
Comical
Liberals are bad at economics becuase the few of them that do go to college do liberal arts. You know, now math and science required.

Ahhh, but Mott didn't say eliminate private insurance companies, now did he? He just pointed out the FACTS regarding to whom to blame for skyrocketing healthcare costs to the average consumer. Seems YOU have a preconceived notion of what Liberals are about, and that seems to have clouded your judgement.