When a Picture is Worth 1,000 Words

signalmankenneth

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Republicans keep saying that private business is more efficient than Medicare. I found this picture at Think Progress. I need say nothing else. You be the judge.

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/06/12/243101/the-mystery-of-private-health-insurance/
 
private insurance makes up for the deals that medicare demands. You're complaining because the government demands to get a good deal and then private insurance ends up making up for it, thus has a higher cost. You're an idiot
 
an analaogy to his logic would be to complain that mom and pop stores can't beat Walmart prices, so mom and pop stores are responsible for the cost of goods that Walmart buys and sells
 
I noticed that the reichwingers failed to cite any evidence for their 'rebuttals'.
 
what evidence? It's common knowledge that medicare only covers some of the costs and healthcare providers are focred to bury the costs in other patients. Are you seriously going to play denier?
 
Bottom Line?

horseshit. the real cost of medicare is not adequately portrayed in this liberal smack piece. try again cupcake.

And remember Medicare is working almost exclusively with high risk people, most of whom could never get private insurance at any cost. Well, let's say insurance that pays any benefits.
 
Medicare only pays a portion of the actual bill. The remainder is borne by the provider, who is forbidden to try and re-coup the remaining costs from the patient. That's why some doctors don't take medicare patients, because they don't feel its in their best interests to subsidize the government beyond what they already pay in taxes.

The result is that the best doctors tend to stay out of geriatric care and go into other specialties where their patients are younger and not on Medicare. So the old folks tend to get the lesser quality doctors.
 
And remember Medicare is working almost exclusively with high risk people, most of whom could never get private insurance at any cost. Well, let's say insurance that pays any benefits.

Actually, Medicare is paying for old folks, who tend to be the heavy users of medical services. In fact costs go up exponentially with increasing age. There are many instances where grandma's totally gorked out, having zero quality of life and maybe living a nightmare, trapped in a body kept alive by tubes, while her family has the luxury to ignore the reality of the situation and simply insists that the doctor keep her alive at all costs.
 
Excellent use of sources and citations to support your contentions, conservatives.
 
notice the troll doesn't use citations, yet whines about citations.

if you actually need a cite for anything stated thus far, you're retarded and get all your information from far left wing sites. it is all you ever post, far left wing rhetoric and bullshit.
 
I noticed that Dumb Yankee didn't use citations. Odd that you pointed it out.
 
i would like to see krugman's citation for the data he used to create the chart. a far left wing site, using a far left wing opinionator....lol
 
Medicare only pays a portion of the actual bill. The remainder is borne by the provider, who is forbidden to try and re-coup the remaining costs from the patient. That's why some doctors don't take medicare patients, because they don't feel its in their best interests to subsidize the government beyond what they already pay in taxes.

The result is that the best doctors tend to stay out of geriatric care and go into other specialties where their patients are younger and not on Medicare. So the old folks tend to get the lesser quality doctors.

You don't know what you're talking about. It's the high cost of insurance premiums with high deductibles which has virtually eliminated the private family practitioner. The reason medicare pays only a portion of the Bill is that physicians don't charge consistant prices and most of them, particularly specialist, will charge what the market will bear. Not what patients can afford. So the compromise with Medicare is that though they get paid less they make up for that by volume. The elderly are, after all, the most prone segment of our society for accidents, illness and injury.

And who the hell do you think make up the bulk of the patients of those specialist? The elderly? Why? Cause they get sick and injured the most so your comment is not only contradicotry as hell, it shows you know virtually nothing about patient care. What's really driving the best internist and family practice and private practice into specialization is the strangle hold monopoly that the Private Insurance companies have on how Doctors get paid. Which is virtually nothing for primary portal care, preventative care, chronic care and basic family care which makes up the over whelming majority of patient visits.

You should actually go study up on the history of medicare and why it was created in the first place and then go study some actual statistics on patient care on patient demographics and epidemiology before you go popping off at the mouth with your ignorant "Socialist" scare tactics.

Legion was right.....ya'll don't have facts.....you have scare tactics.

What I can't understand about you obtuse right wingers is the mountains of evidence by other nations who have implemented these types of reforms who spend half of what we do, have far broader access and availability of health care and achieve vastly superior outcome then the US does.......and all you got is your "socialist" bogeyman.

It must be tough being so afraid of life that your even afraid of what has been proven to be a better way.
 
why are liberals so bad at economics?

I don't know.....why are right wingers such yellow bellied cowards and afraid of their own shadows? Why are so many of them angry white guys with GED's who think a polynomial is a transmission made by Mopar? How comes right wing nuts are so consistantly wrong about just about everything? Why is that? Why is it that when anyone, ANYONE, forces you wingnuts to actually have to think for once in your narrow, confined xenophobic lives you have to marginalize them as "liberals"?

Can I ask you a question......is a liberal a person with a specific political ideology is it just another one of those bogeyman that your political masters keep telling you look under your bed fore so that they can fuck you in the ass when you're not looking? Why do you guys take that? Up the ass that is?
 
You don't know what you're talking about. It's the high cost of insurance premiums with high deductibles which has virtually eliminated the private family practitioner. The reason medicare pays only a portion of the Bill is that physicians don't charge consistant prices and most of them, particularly specialist, will charge what the market will bear. Not what patients can afford. So the compromise with Medicare is that though they get paid less they make up for that by volume. The elderly are, after all, the most prone segment of our society for accidents, illness and injury.

And who the hell do you think make up the bulk of the patients of those specialist? The elderly? Why? Cause they get sick and injured the most so your comment is not only contradicotry as hell, it shows you know virtually nothing about patient care. What's really driving the best internist and family practice and private practice into specialization is the strangle hold monopoly that the Private Insurance companies have on how Doctors get paid. Which is virtually nothing for primary portal care, preventative care, chronic care and basic family care which makes up the over whelming majority of patient visits.

You should actually go study up on the history of medicare and why it was created in the first place and then go study some actual statistics on patient care on patient demographics and epidemiology before you go popping off at the mouth with your ignorant "Socialist" scare tactics.

Legion was right.....ya'll don't have facts.....you have scare tactics.

What I can't understand about you obtuse right wingers is the mountains of evidence by other nations who have implemented these types of reforms who spend half of what we do, have far broader access and availability of health care and achieve vastly superior outcome then the US does.......and all you got is your "socialist" bogeyman.

It must be tough being so afraid of life that your even afraid of what has been proven to be a better way.

The irony here is that you are the one who doesn't know what they are taking about.
1. The Family Practice specialty is on the rise, not declining. Many of them practice geriatric medicine.
2. “physicians don't charge consistant [sic] prices and most of them, particularly specialist, will charge what the market will bear. Not what patients can afford.” Shows a dismal understanding of basic economics.
3. As much as I’d like to argue against your second paragraph, it makes so little sense on its own that I don’t have a clue what point you’re trying to get across.
 
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