WHAT EXACTLY HAS THE WORLD EVER DONE FOR BRITAIN?

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WHAT EXACTLY HAS THE WORLD EVER DONE FOR BRITAIN?


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Friday April 8,2011

By James Delingpole (Source)

A FEW years ago I was wandering through a market in Omdurman in the Sudan when I was accosted by an angry old man. “Why did you leave us?” he said. “Things were so much better when you were here.” We British are so used to being told by foreigners how awful we are that at first I didn’t understand his point. Then slowly it dawned. Here was an old man who had compared how things were under the enlightened colonial rule of the British with how things were now under a corrupt, warring, Islamist regime. He was under no illusions who had been better at running his country: us.

Yet you’d never sense this truth from David Cameron’s disparaging remarks in Pakistan the other day about Britain’s colonial legacy, nor from the generally demeaning way we are treated on the international stage. Everywhere you go, everywhere you look Britain is having its nose rubbed in it on an almost daily basis by a viciously ungrateful world. We’ve just given Pakistan £650million for schools (or more likely for IEDs to blow up our troops in Afghanistan).

We’re about to spend £4billion (more than the entirety of the coalition’s announced cuts) bailing out the Portuguese, even though we’re not members of the eurozone. We’re squandering £1million a time on each Storm Shadow missile we fire to help “liberate” Libya. We’ve sacrificed hundreds of our best and brightest young men and women “defending freedom” in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet what exactly do we have to show for all this trouble, expense and effort?

Do we get any “special relationship” benefits for slavishly supporting the US in every one of its foreign military adventures? Hardly. As President Obama made clear, he actually prefers France. Do miraculous blessings accrue to us as a result of the net £9.2billion we contribute to the EU every year? Nope, just more democratically unaccountable rules, regulations and taxes.

Have the Irish yet thanked us for the £7billion we gave to help bail out their economy just before Christmas? Of course not. We could have given them a Ferrari each and a pension for life (actually come to think of it we more or less have) and still we’d remain their oldest, most hated enemy.

And consider how much international gloating goes on when we’re knocked out of any major sporting event (the Aussies, Kiwis and South Africans if it’s cricket or rugger, everyone else if it’s football).

And how oddly reluctant everyone is – witness our recent failed World Cup bid and parallel success of that international footballing titan Qatar – to acknowledge that if it hadn’t been for Britain these games might never have been invented. Being “awarded” the 2012 Olympics was the exception to the rule that Britain is always humiliatingly snubbed when it bids to host a major world tournament.

But then probably the only reason we were given it was as a punishment: after all who wants to draw the short straw of having to fork out upwards of £10billion for an event that will bring no net financial benefit in the teeth of the most vicious recession since the Thirties?

Of course all this would be perfectly understandable if the map was still coloured pink and British warships stood ready in every ocean to enforce our imperial will at the point of their mighty cannon. But apart from the fact that we have virtually no warships left (nor soon will we have aircraft carriers with aircraft on them) we have almost no imperial territory to protect.

What we’re suffering is the very worst of both worlds. We still have to put up with all the disadvantages of being a mighty imperial power: chippy resentment; massive expense; weighty responsibilities; colonial guilt. And on the other hand, because we haven’t actually been a mighty imperial power for five decades, we’re enjoying not a single one of the financial or political benefits.

It reminds me of that scene in Monty Python’s Life Of Brian in which the Jewish resistance ask crossly: “Whatever did the Romans do for us?” Grudgingly they’re forced to admit that the Romans have in fact done quite a lot for them: the aqueduct; sanitation; irrigation; medicine; education; health; roads; wine; public baths; and public order.

And I’m sure if you asked the same question about Britain and her Empire the list would be at least as long. Which was the first country actively to campaign against the slave trade? Who gave the world the concept of parliamentary democracy? Who built the railway (and legal and administrative) systems in Africa and the Indian subcontinent? Who gave the world its most useful lingua franca (and no, it wasn’t whoever invented Esperanto)? Who invented the postal system, discovered longitude, the steam ship, the jet engine and penicillin?

For a small island in the chilly north we have achieved an extraordinary amount with relatively limited resources. What’s more we have been extremely generous in spreading these benefits while asking relatively little in return: a tradition that Tim Berners- Lee continued when he gave the world the internet for free.

It’s understandable why bigger, better endowed countries should feel bitter at their failure to match our achievements. But it doesn’t make it excusable. The fact is that we in Britain have done far, far more for the world than ever it did for us. And it’s about ruddy time that pitifully ungrateful world gave us something back.
 
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I'm greatful that the British colonized the present-day United States. Had it been anyone else, and this would not be the world's leading superpower.
 
I'm greatful that the British colonized the present-day United States. Had it been anyone else, and this would not be the world's leading superpower.

I don't want us to be the superpower, I just want us to mind our own business for a time. Get the numerous wars we have underway completed and then sign off for a rest!
 
WHAT EXACTLY HAS THE WORLD EVER DONE FOR BRITAIN?


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Friday April 8,2011

By James Delingpole (Source)

A FEW years ago I was wandering through a market in Omdurman in the Sudan when I was accosted by an angry old man. “Why did you leave us?” he said. “Things were so much better when you were here.” We British are so used to being told by foreigners how awful we are that at first I didn’t understand his point. Then slowly it dawned. Here was an old man who had compared how things were under the enlightened colonial rule of the British with how things were now under a corrupt, warring, Islamist regime. He was under no illusions who had been better at running his country: us.

Yet you’d never sense this truth from David Cameron’s disparaging remarks in Pakistan the other day about Britain’s colonial legacy, nor from the generally demeaning way we are treated on the international stage. Everywhere you go, everywhere you look Britain is having its nose rubbed in it on an almost daily basis by a viciously ungrateful world. We’ve just given Pakistan £650million for schools (or more likely for IEDs to blow up our troops in Afghanistan).

We’re about to spend £4billion (more than the entirety of the coalition’s announced cuts) bailing out the Portuguese, even though we’re not members of the eurozone. We’re squandering £1million a time on each Storm Shadow missile we fire to help “liberate” Libya. We’ve sacrificed hundreds of our best and brightest young men and women “defending freedom” in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet what exactly do we have to show for all this trouble, expense and effort?

Do we get any “special relationship” benefits for slavishly supporting the US in every one of its foreign military adventures? Hardly. As President Obama made clear, he actually prefers France. Do miraculous blessings accrue to us as a result of the net £9.2billion we contribute to the EU every year? Nope, just more democratically unaccountable rules, regulations and taxes.

Have the Irish yet thanked us for the £7billion we gave to help bail out their economy just before Christmas? Of course not. We could have given them a Ferrari each and a pension for life (actually come to think of it we more or less have) and still we’d remain their oldest, most hated enemy.

And consider how much international gloating goes on when we’re knocked out of any major sporting event (the Aussies, Kiwis and South Africans if it’s cricket or rugger, everyone else if it’s football).

And how oddly reluctant everyone is – witness our recent failed World Cup bid and parallel success of that international footballing titan Qatar – to acknowledge that if it hadn’t been for Britain these games might never have been invented. Being “awarded” the 2012 Olympics was the exception to the rule that Britain is always humiliatingly snubbed when it bids to host a major world tournament.

But then probably the only reason we were given it was as a punishment: after all who wants to draw the short straw of having to fork out upwards of £10billion for an event that will bring no net financial benefit in the teeth of the most vicious recession since the Thirties?

Of course all this would be perfectly understandable if the map was still coloured pink and British warships stood ready in every ocean to enforce our imperial will at the point of their mighty cannon. But apart from the fact that we have virtually no warships left (nor soon will we have aircraft carriers with aircraft on them) we have almost no imperial territory to protect.

What we’re suffering is the very worst of both worlds. We still have to put up with all the disadvantages of being a mighty imperial power: chippy resentment; massive expense; weighty responsibilities; colonial guilt. And on the other hand, because we haven’t actually been a mighty imperial power for five decades, we’re enjoying not a single one of the financial or political benefits.

It reminds me of that scene in Monty Python’s Life Of Brian in which the Jewish resistance ask crossly: “Whatever did the Romans do for us?” Grudgingly they’re forced to admit that the Romans have in fact done quite a lot for them: the aqueduct; sanitation; irrigation; medicine; education; health; roads; wine; public baths; and public order.

And I’m sure if you asked the same question about Britain and her Empire the list would be at least as long. Which was the first country actively to campaign against the slave trade? Who gave the world the concept of parliamentary democracy? Who built the railway (and legal and administrative) systems in Africa and the Indian subcontinent? Who gave the world its most useful lingua franca (and no, it wasn’t whoever invented Esperanto)? Who invented the postal system, discovered longitude, the steam ship, the jet engine and penicillin?

For a small island in the chilly north we have achieved an extraordinary amount with relatively limited resources. What’s more we have been extremely generous in spreading these benefits while asking relatively little in return: a tradition that Tim Berners- Lee continued when he gave the world the internet for free.

It’s understandable why bigger, better endowed countries should feel bitter at their failure to match our achievements. But it doesn’t make it excusable. The fact is that we in Britain have done far, far more for the world than ever it did for us. And it’s about ruddy time that pitifully ungrateful world gave us something back.

Ok, ok....you Limey's have accomplished a lot over the years....but bloody hell man...when are you going to learn how to cook?
 
I'm greatful that the British colonized the present-day United States. Had it been anyone else, and this would not be the world's leading superpower.

If it had been the Spanish, there wouldn't have been any indigenous tribes left. You only have to look at what they did to the Incas, Mayans and Aztecs.
 
If it had been the Spanish, there wouldn't have been any indigenous tribes left. You only have to look at what they did to the Incas, Mayans and Aztecs.
Ehhh that's a pretty poor analogy. The English didn't do much better in regards to how they treated native Americans and us Americans have no room to criticise the Spanish what so ever as we were just as bad as they were. The French certainly set a superior example in that regards then either the Spanish, Americans or the English.
 
Ehhh that's a pretty poor analogy. The English didn't do much better in regards to how they treated native Americans and us Americans have no room to criticise the Spanish what so ever as we were just as bad as they were. The French certainly set a superior example in that regards then either the Spanish, Americans or the English.

Ask yourself this question, how many democracies did the French leave behind in their former colonies in Indo-China, Africa and South America? I can't name one but maybe you know of a country that I missed?
 
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Ehhh that's a pretty poor analogy. The English didn't do much better in regards to how they treated native Americans and us Americans have no room to criticise the Spanish what so ever as we were just as bad as they were. The French certainly set a superior example in that regards then either the Spanish, Americans or the English.

Relations between the British and the Native Americans were less good. Most of the land east of the great lakes was taken from the local peoples by about 1830. By 1870 they had lost most of the open prairies of the Midwestern USA and Canada. However, Native Americans generally preferred British rule to rule by the USA or by the settlers in British North America. Throughout the 19th century there was a steady stream of native Americans out of the USA and into British North America. The Native Americans even fought on the British side against the settlers in Canada when they rebelled against British rule in 1837. Native Americans also developed new skills and played important roles in the economic development of Canada. They had a franchise from the British government to run certain types of trade on the mighty Saint Lawrence River. They developed a special skill in rigging the high masts and moorings for the bridges that crossed the Saint Lawrence. They helped to develop the growing tourist trade in the later 1800s. All of this, however, could not disguise the fact that many had lost their traditional lands and way of life. Native Americans were probably treated better under British rule than in the USA or by the settlers after the British left Canada. This is not the same thing as saying that they were treated fairly and equally by the British.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/empire/g2/cs5/background.htm


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Relations between the British and the Native Americans were less good. Most of the land east of the great lakes was taken from the local peoples by about 1830. By 1870 they had lost most of the open prairies of the Midwestern USA and Canada. However, Native Americans generally preferred British rule to rule by the USA or by the settlers in British North America. Throughout the 19th century there was a steady stream of native Americans out of the USA and into British North America. The Native Americans even fought on the British side against the settlers in Canada when they rebelled against British rule in 1837. Native Americans also developed new skills and played important roles in the economic development of Canada. They had a franchise from the British government to run certain types of trade on the mighty Saint Lawrence River. They developed a special skill in rigging the high masts and moorings for the bridges that crossed the Saint Lawrence. They helped to develop the growing tourist trade in the later 1800s. All of this, however, could not disguise the fact that many had lost their traditional lands and way of life. Native Americans were probably treated better under British rule than in the USA or by the settlers after the British left Canada. This is not the same thing as saying that they were treated fairly and equally by the British.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/empire/g2/cs5/background.htm


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I love when you guys show off your history, my area of just wading in is Biblical times. There is so much to read.
 
good article tom. i think most of the world does forget what england has accomplished and done for the world. not all is good, but there is much good that england has done.
 
Which was the first country actively to campaign against the slave trade? Who gave the world the concept of parliamentary democracy? Who built the railway (and legal and administrative) systems in Africa and the Indian subcontinent? Who gave the world its most useful lingua franca (and no, it wasn’t whoever invented Esperanto)? Who invented the postal system, discovered longitude, the steam ship, the jet engine and penicillin?
The first to protest the slave trade? Other than all the slaves? Parliamentary government? Wasn't that the Greeks originally? Postal system? Pretty sure it was the Sareceans there. Steam engine was built by the Greeks first. Jet engine was developed by work of several different nations, including America, Germany, and Italy. Penicillin is French.

Not that you Brits didn't do alright. The Boxer primer is very nice.
 
The world was your whipping boy for a long time, this isn't the time to start wishing they'd just start giving you stuff.
 
The world was your whipping boy for a long time, this isn't the time to start wishing they'd just start giving you stuff.

i didn't get that from the article. england has done much for the world, some bad, some good, but england has always had to do on its own. whereas, much of the world thinks the rest of the world owes them something.
 
i didn't get that from the article. england has done much for the world, some bad, some good, but england has always had to do on its own. whereas, much of the world thinks the rest of the world owes them something.

Right, the article is trying to paint it all in a good light. They owe the world some good things after creating an empire by killing lots of people and using the rest of the world as a welcome mat.
 
Right, the article is trying to paint it all in a good light. They owe the world some good things after creating an empire by killing lots of people and using the rest of the world as a welcome mat.

fair enough...but to paint england as all evil is not correct either. not saying you're doing that, rather, many overlook england's contributions because of some bad they have done. all people, all country's, all kingdom's etc....have done bad. and america is no exception.
 
fair enough...but to paint england as all evil is not correct either. not saying you're doing that, rather, many overlook england's contributions because of some bad they have done. all people, all country's, all kingdom's etc....have done bad. and america is no exception.
The thing is, and I in no way disagree with you, is that England kinda pissed out A LOT of countries. Like all of Europe, the US, A lot of the ME and Africa, India, China, Etc. And they did so for several centuries, so the ill will felt by a lot of people is kinda ingrained into them.
 
The thing is, and I in no way disagree with you, is that England kinda pissed out A LOT of countries. Like all of Europe, the US, A lot of the ME and Africa, India, China, Etc. And they did so for several centuries, so the ill will felt by a lot of people is kinda ingrained into them.

england did many good things for many countries...screw china...as for india....they have moved on and they still embrace english culture (cricket)....the ME....they fucked themselves. africa.....i don't know....i've read many books on the history of africa and british influence....but they are all opinions. england did bad and england gave good. it is a conundrum.
 
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