We had to pass it to find out...Prescriptions for TYLENOL!

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/27/taxpayers-lose-key-benefit-health-care-law

Some 45 million people are about to lose a key tax break in health care. Starting in January, they'll have to get what amounts to a prescription from a doctor in order to get reimbursed for over-the-counter medications such as cold and flu remedies or allergy medicines.

Robert Zirkelbach of America's Health Plans, an industry group, says, "The changes are going to add an unnecessary cost to the system and make it more difficult for patients to obtain medication they currently rely on."

Those millions of Americans are getting notices that, beginning with the new year, pre-tax money they set aside for flexible spending or health savings accounts can no longer be used for over-the-counter drugs. That is, unless a doctor writes what amounts to a prescription.

Chris Krese of the Association of Chain Drug Stores says, "We are talking about 15 thousand over-the-counter products that are now subject to this new policy."

Items that fall under the new law include Tylenol, remedies for stomach ailments, cold and cough medicines, allergy medications and many, many others.The drugstore association is asking the federal government to delay the rules for at least two years "in order to carry this out in a way that minimizes consumer confusion."

One of the complications of this policy is that the only way people can get reimbursed for over-the-counter drugs will be to make an appointment with their doctor and get a sort of prescription for the drugs in question in order to qualify for flexible spending money.

Ed Haislmeir of the Heritage Foundation says this means, "The doctors are going to have to charge you for an office visit."

That adds to the cost of health care for those who would otherwise treat themselves for minor ailments.

And Robert Zirkelbach of the insurance industry says, "That's going to add cost at the doctor's office, that's going to take time out of my day."

Not only that, but with chronic conditions such as allergies, it might be cheaper to get a prescription drug -- if your health plan has a reasonable co-pay.

"So you'd be inclined to go with the prescription drug that might in the end have a higher total cost, but you pay a lower share of that total cost," says Zirkelbach.

That is likely to mean a higher cost for the employer but not the individual. Zirkelbach says that creates a perverse incentive "for me to use a higher cost prescription medication instead of using more affordable over-the-counter medication that works just as well."

Bill Sweetnam, of the Groom Law Group, worked at the U.S. Treasury Department during the Bush years and was instrumental in expanding FSAs. He says, "The impact will be that the people will use their FSAs a lot less, less than they used to and that's unfortunate because it is such a good tool."

So a law intended to reduce national health expenditures overall may actually end up increasing them, even as it takes more money from the pockets of taxpayers.
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I guess this is where the idiot Apple chimes in to calmly tell us how this is actually BETTER than before?
 
I was unaware that we reimbursed people for buying tylenol or OTC cough meds.

Why were we reimbursing people for those meds? Is a headache now the government's responsibility? Is a cold something we need the gov't to fix?

Perhaps someone can explain why OTC meds qualify for reimbursement in the first place, and I might agree this is an issue.
 
it's not a reimbursement, it's the Health Savings Account credit against taxes......used by those with high deductible limits on their health insurance....perhaps you aren't aware of them, it's for those of us who don't get their health insurance provided tax free by their employers.......
 
oh wow, thanks for the post. im in open enrollment now and was planning to complete it Friday. I will lower my HSRA to account for loss of OTC meds.
 
I was unaware that we reimbursed people for buying tylenol or OTC cough meds.

Why were we reimbursing people for those meds? Is a headache now the government's responsibility? Is a cold something we need the gov't to fix?

Perhaps someone can explain why OTC meds qualify for reimbursement in the first place, and I might agree this is an issue.

We are not. People are allowed to set pre-tax dollars aside for medical needs. These flex pay plans allow people to set a predetermined amount aside. They then can use them for purchasing tylenol etc... if they didn't use the money by years end, they lost it.
 
if they didn't use the money by years end, they lost it.

this is the key for why they want to eliminate the OTC meds. In the past when I have left over money in my account I go buy tons of OTC and stock up last week of Dec. Would rather have a years worth of cold medicine then lose the cash.
 
this is the key for why they want to eliminate the OTC meds. In the past when I have left over money in my account I go buy tons of OTC and stock up last week of Dec. Would rather have a years worth of cold medicine then lose the cash.


You're probably on a list of potential meth cookers or some shit buying all that cold medicine.
 
My HSA rolls over, I think they all do. FSAs are different, you can use them to pay for child care and other things. Mostly they are used to pay for deductibles and out of pocket things your insurance doesn't cover.
 
I think in 10 years we will all be sad this form of "health care reform" ever passed. I know many of us are now, but when we finally see the costs, both personally and on a national level we are going to regret this. Should have dropped borders on health insurance, made modest restrictions on canceling insurance for health reasons and refusal for pre-existing conditions, and modest reform on medical liability. Would have save us money and not actually increased the bureaucracy.
 
I was unaware that we reimbursed people for buying tylenol or OTC cough meds.

Why were we reimbursing people for those meds? Is a headache now the government's responsibility? Is a cold something we need the gov't to fix?

Perhaps someone can explain why OTC meds qualify for reimbursement in the first place, and I might agree this is an issue.

People are not reimbursed from a mystical "free" place, but from their own health flex accts. Accounts some employers have where employees can divert dollars before taxes to use for things like co-pays and over the counter meds. The risk to the employee is that they have to use those diverted dollars before the end of the year or risk losing them.
 
I think in 10 years we will all be sad this form of "health care reform" ever passed. I know many of us are now, but when we finally see the costs, both personally and on a national level we are going to regret this. Should have dropped borders on health insurance, made modest restrictions on canceling insurance for health reasons and refusal for pre-existing conditions, and modest reform on medical liability. Would have save us money and not actually increased the bureaucracy.

I tend to agree. with premiums going up double digits and many small businesses canceling there employee insurance for 2011 seems like there may be a backfire on our hands.
 
I tend to agree. with premiums going up double digits and many small businesses canceling there employee insurance for 2011 seems like there may be a backfire on our hands.

LOL... Ya think? I mean, 70% of America was vehemently opposed to this shit, and Nancy Pelosi rammed it through anyway! Those who voted for it, didn't even READ it! This, along with the endless bailouts, which a vast majority also opposed vehemently, is the reason you got the TEA Party! Now you suspect it all may have backfired? That's really funny as hell to me!
 
this is the key for why they want to eliminate the OTC meds. In the past when I have left over money in my account I go buy tons of OTC and stock up last week of Dec. Would rather have a years worth of cold medicine then lose the cash.

Hmmmm most accts expire in March?

You do have to manage how much you divert. I have never had a problem using all of the acct. Between co-pays; over the counter meds; sports wraps; even mouth and eye washes it's easy to use it all and realize the tax free savings.

Also planning anual appts right before the expiration is good planning; need new eye glasses-frames etc.
 
Hmmmm most accts expire in March?

You do have to manage how much you divert. I have never had a problem using all of the acct. Between co-pays; over the counter meds; sports wraps; even mouth and eye washes it's easy to use it all and realize the tax free savings.

Also planning anual appts right before the expiration is good planning; need new eye glasses-frames etc.

The FSAs, (which don't roll over) can be used for all kinds of tax deferred expenses, even non-medical ones, like child care. HSAs can only be used for medical-related expenses, but those roll over.
 
The FSAs, (which don't roll over) can be used for all kinds of tax deferred expenses, even non-medical ones, like child care. HSAs can only be used for medical-related expenses, but those roll over.

I know my company has discussed having HSA's as well. I have a friend who actually has a debit card for her FSA..

Can you transfer an hsa acct to another company?
 
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/27/taxpayers-lose-key-benefit-health-care-law

Some 45 million people are about to lose a key tax break in health care. Starting in January, they'll have to get what amounts to a prescription from a doctor in order to get reimbursed for over-the-counter medications such as cold and flu remedies or allergy medicines.

Robert Zirkelbach of America's Health Plans, an industry group, says, "The changes are going to add an unnecessary cost to the system and make it more difficult for patients to obtain medication they currently rely on."

Those millions of Americans are getting notices that, beginning with the new year, pre-tax money they set aside for flexible spending or health savings accounts can no longer be used for over-the-counter drugs. That is, unless a doctor writes what amounts to a prescription.

Chris Krese of the Association of Chain Drug Stores says, "We are talking about 15 thousand over-the-counter products that are now subject to this new policy."

Items that fall under the new law include Tylenol, remedies for stomach ailments, cold and cough medicines, allergy medications and many, many others.The drugstore association is asking the federal government to delay the rules for at least two years "in order to carry this out in a way that minimizes consumer confusion."

One of the complications of this policy is that the only way people can get reimbursed for over-the-counter drugs will be to make an appointment with their doctor and get a sort of prescription for the drugs in question in order to qualify for flexible spending money.

Ed Haislmeir of the Heritage Foundation says this means, "The doctors are going to have to charge you for an office visit."

That adds to the cost of health care for those who would otherwise treat themselves for minor ailments.

And Robert Zirkelbach of the insurance industry says, "That's going to add cost at the doctor's office, that's going to take time out of my day."

Not only that, but with chronic conditions such as allergies, it might be cheaper to get a prescription drug -- if your health plan has a reasonable co-pay.

"So you'd be inclined to go with the prescription drug that might in the end have a higher total cost, but you pay a lower share of that total cost," says Zirkelbach.

That is likely to mean a higher cost for the employer but not the individual. Zirkelbach says that creates a perverse incentive "for me to use a higher cost prescription medication instead of using more affordable over-the-counter medication that works just as well."

Bill Sweetnam, of the Groom Law Group, worked at the U.S. Treasury Department during the Bush years and was instrumental in expanding FSAs. He says, "The impact will be that the people will use their FSAs a lot less, less than they used to and that's unfortunate because it is such a good tool."

So a law intended to reduce national health expenditures overall may actually end up increasing them, even as it takes more money from the pockets of taxpayers.
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I guess this is where the idiot Apple chimes in to calmly tell us how this is actually BETTER than before?

Good post Dixie!
 
Reading all this makes me appreciate my health insurance plan even more.
 
Reading all this makes me appreciate my health insurance plan even more.

well kiss it good by, we have a new plan now.....it's called Obamacare....it's gonna give you shit you didn't even know you needed and its only going to cost you your ass and three toes.....
 
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