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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...rancisco-glass-birds-building-code/50484558/1


In San Fran, new buildings will be designed with 'bird safety' in mind. Must prevent those 'fatalities'.

"It's a global problem," says Christine Sheppard, bird collisions campaign manager for the American Bird Conservancy. "Everywhere you find glass, you will find dead birds. One of the reasons that people don't recognize it is a problem is that it is so widely distributed. There are some buildings that kill thousands of birds a year."

Seriously.... cannot stop laughing....
 
I don't favor the "required" aspect of this, but I can't ridicule the sentiment. Lots of folks care about animals & ecosystems & things like that...
 
I don't favor the "required" aspect of this, but I can't ridicule the sentiment. Lots of folks care about animals & ecosystems & things like that...

raising the costs of windows, potentially lowering energy efficiency (which harms the ecosystem far more), not to mention the complete lunacy of trying to regulate what types of windows/protections will stop birds from flying into buildings..... sorry, I just find it quite comical.
 
raising the costs of windows, potentially lowering energy efficiency (which harms the ecosystem far more), not to mention the complete lunacy of trying to regulate what types of windows/protections will stop birds from flying into buildings..... sorry, I just find it quite comical.

It is actually a serious problem. Minimal changes to a building including fitting glass with an ultraviolet pattern that birds can see, but is virtually invisible to humans can provide marked improvements. It would only affect the first 20 metres or of a building and not the entire structure.

Studies, including one from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, show up to a billion birds die throughout North America each year from slamming into buildings.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=8351654

Other measures could include.

o Altering glass angle to decrease reflectance
o Increase glass opacity with etchings, decals, or shades to decrease light emitted
o Install overhangs over windows and large glass structures/walls
o Install landscape and structural screens to minimise effects of large windows and the glow emitted from within buildings
o Maximising the number of offices that turn off all lights after sunset
o Requiring the closing of window blinds, louvres, or shades after daylight hours
o Staggering the timing of light use
o Managing lights via training of security personnel- i.e. staff are provided with bird identification books and how to deal with dead and injured birds
o Providing advice to building occupants about collision and attraction minimisation strategies.
 
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It is actually a serious problem. Minimal changes to a building including fitting glass with an ultraviolet pattern that birds can see, but is virtually invisible to humans can provide marked improvements. It would only affect the first 20 metres or of a building and not the entire structure.



http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_francisco&id=8351654

Well damn... next thing we should do is design windshields so that bugs stop flying into them. Cause over a billion cajillion bugs die each year needlessly.
 
Well damn... next thing we should do is design windshields so that bugs stop flying into them. Cause over a billion cajillion bugs die each year needlessly.

I hadn't finished editing that post, there are many measures that can be taken. Was your dad Alfred Hitchcock by any chance?
 
I think we should just provide signs, if they aren't going to read them what is that to us? Make sure they are clearly posted in the subfloor basement of the county pond management office under the top drawer of a filing cabinet in a room marked "Do Not Enter: High Voltage"...

That will keep them from bashing our windows and scaring people inside...
 
Other measures could include.

o Altering glass angle to decrease reflectance
o Increase glass opacity with etchings, decals, or shades to decrease light emitted
o Install overhangs over windows and large glass structures/walls
o Install landscape and structural screens to minimise effects of large windows and the glow emitted from within buildings
o Maximising the number of offices that turn off all lights after sunset
o Requiring the closing of window blinds, louvres, or shades after daylight hours
o Staggering the timing of light use
o Managing lights via training of security personnel- i.e. staff are provided with bird identification books and how to deal with dead and injured birds
o Providing advice to building occupants about collision and attraction minimisation strategies.

OR instead of all that, we could just send someone out with a pooper scooper in the morning and pick up any suicidal birds.

tell us.... what should we do for all the bugs that die needlessly on windshields?

what should we do for any birds near airfields? Should we have the planes sound airhorns prior to departure and arrival?
 
OR instead of all that, we could just send someone out with a pooper scooper in the morning and pick up any suicidal birds.

tell us.... what should we do for all the bugs that die needlessly on windshields?

what should we do for any birds near airfields? Should we have the planes sound airhorns prior to departure and arrival?


That a policy does not solve every potential problem is not a good reason not to enact it.
 
raising the costs of windows, potentially lowering energy efficiency (which harms the ecosystem far more), not to mention the complete lunacy of trying to regulate what types of windows/protections will stop birds from flying into buildings..... sorry, I just find it quite comical.

I love the "may reduce energy efficiency" from the Architect's lobby in the article. Quite the opposite; bird-friendly windows are more energy efficient overall.

Ideas like this aren't ridiculous. It's pretty easy to look at the results a couple hundred years after the industrial revolution & say, "hmmmmm...maybe we could do more to protect the planet while we're developing...."
 
That a policy does not solve every potential problem is not a good reason not to enact it.

That the government is going to require new buildings to do this when they haven't even bothered to 'study' the issue in their city to see if it is even a problem WORTH solving is ABSURD. It is regulations like this that liberals are mocked for.

The point about the bugs and birds at airfields was not that THIS policy didn't address them. It was essentially to ask... WHERE do we stop? What species do we protect and not protect?

Birds have flown into my condo windows... should we all start making alterations to our homes too? Where does this stop? (hence my windshield question/mockery)
 
I love the "may reduce energy efficiency" from the Architect's lobby in the article. Quite the opposite; bird-friendly windows are more energy efficient overall.

Please cite where bird friendly windows are more energy efficient. Thanks.

Ideas like this aren't ridiculous. It's pretty easy to look at the results a couple hundred years after the industrial revolution & say, "hmmmmm...maybe we could do more to protect the planet while we're developing...."

Again.... then we should also protect the bugs and insects.... because if we protect the birds, we need to also protect their foodsource.... or do you just want to save the birds to watch them starve? You sadistic bastard ;)
 
OR instead of all that, we could just send someone out with a pooper scooper in the morning and pick up any suicidal birds.

tell us.... what should we do for all the bugs that die needlessly on windshields?

what should we do for any birds near airfields? Should we have the planes sound airhorns prior to departure and arrival?

All large airports have bird defence mechanisms in place, but occasionally they don't work as per the example of the Airbus crash landing on the Hudson a while back. Your example of bugs on windscreens is just risible, what creatures do you think keep the bugs down anyway?
 
I love the "may reduce energy efficiency" from the Architect's lobby in the article. Quite the opposite; bird-friendly windows are more energy efficient overall.

Ideas like this aren't ridiculous. It's pretty easy to look at the results a couple hundred years after the industrial revolution & say, "hmmmmm...maybe we could do more to protect the planet while we're developing...."

Also... if Darwin is knocking out the stupid birds with windows, does that not make the flock stronger on the whole? Why do you want to weaken the flock?
 
All large airports have bird defence mechanisms in place, but occasionally they don't work as per the example of the Airbus crash landing on the Hudson a while back. Your example of bugs on windscreens is just risible, what creatures do you think keep the bugs down anyway?

Exactly.... so if you protect more birds, then you must also protect their food source. Or do you, like Oncelor, just want to watch the poor birds starve?
 
Please cite where bird friendly windows are more energy efficient. Thanks.



Again.... then we should also protect the bugs and insects.... because if we protect the birds, we need to also protect their foodsource.... or do you just want to save the birds to watch them starve? You sadistic bastard ;)

One of the measures I outlined namely maximising the number of offices that turn off all lights after sunset would save significant amounts of energy and cost nothing.
 
One of the measures I outlined namely maximising the number of offices that turn off all lights after sunset would save significant amounts of energy and cost nothing.

1) That does not make the windows more energy efficient
2) Buildings should be doing that regardless of the birds
 
Exactly.... so if you protect more birds, then you must also protect their food source. Or do you, like Oncelor, just want to watch the poor birds starve?

There is a certain concept called Nature which always tends towards an equilibrium unless an outside force such as Man intervenes. I wonder how birds were able to survive for so many millenia without high buildings acting as a culling mechanism.
 
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