Sammy Jankis
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nice dodge....pussified...but i'll give you some credit....i'm sure you have sung rumsfeld's praises and extoled his great opinions because he was sec def....paaaleese
so you're talking net/net....like i said, i have no problem cutting waste, i don't think this is the time to cut our military budget in terms of non waste defense and offense....i believe our military plays a vital role in stabilizing geopolitical events....
what do you think would happen if we cut half our military budget next year? you don't think china would make moves? russia?
if we CUT our budget as some are suggesting, i believe they will....if we continue with our budget, but eliminate waste, they will not....
again, i have no problem cutting waste...that was not in the OP...it was simply about how large the budget is, putting it behind medicare and SS...
gdp is absolutely relevant...a country with a global reach and economy such as ours would be foolish not to spend more on military than other countries...your analogy is pointless because you're arguing waste, which no one is defending....if had 3 billion dollars, a new mercedes would be about .001% of my budget, you may argue its waste for me to buy a new car every year because to YOU it would be a waste, but to the billionaire, it is not a waste and represents a teeny tiny fraction of their budget and compared with the comfort and convenience of having a new car that will undoubtedly run better than an old car makes it worthwhile
you're being obtuse...i guess you're saying you have no problem if a country spends 99% of their gdp on the military, so long as its only a modest sum, say 1 million dollars....
and again, you're harping on waste and we can now establish that you're simply too afraid to discuss the meat of the issue as NO ONE is supporting waste
nice dodge....pussified...but i'll give you some credit....i'm sure you have sung rumsfeld's praises and extoled his great opinions because he was sec def....paaaleese
If he agreed with me, sure.
I think we have a very different definition of waste.
First of all, no one is talking about cutting the defense budget in half. Having said that, you still haven't in any way described what other countries would do if we scaled down our defense spending other than saying they would "make moves," "take advantage" and that we would "lose our edge." Well, in what capacity would we lose out edge? Naval? Air superiority? Weapons systems? What moves could Russia or China credibly take in response to a decrease in our defense spending? How would China "take advantage?" What specifically could it do?
You believe they will based on what? Do you have any idea how superior our Navy and Air Force are as compared to China? I mean, the only way China could credibly threated the United States is by air or sea and they are decades behind us on both fronts.
It's pretty clear that we have different ideas about what constitutes waste. Apparently, you think it isn't wasteful to spend money if you can afford it (and really, can we afford it?). I think it is wasteful to spend money on things you do not need.
Percentage of GDP does tell you anything about whether the money being spent is being spent on useful things. It's an irrelevant number.
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The Almighty
yeah.... that is a great insurance program.... 'hey, sorry about that, but we are taking away 22% of what we told you that you would have.'
We won't waste time reminding idiots like you that it was just two years ago that the projection was 2041. Unemployment remaining high and more and more people taking SS earlier than anticipated is simply going to exacerbate the problem and force them to cut more time from that projection.
That's the scenario if nothing happens. In the meantime there are plenty of viable ways to shore up SS without blowing up the program.
Hey, SF. Can you tell me what retirees earned in benefits 27 years ago on average as compared to what retirees earn today in benefits?
Thanks.
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Sammy Jankis
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AHHH. FEAR. UNCERTAINTY. DOUBT. WE BETTER DO WHAT SF SAYZ OR WE DIEZ.
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The Almighty
ROFLMAO... yeah, Ezra Klein is a 'moderate'. He is a liberal who writes for the American Prospect, Washington Post and appears on MSNBC. He worked with the lunatic Howard Dean. He is under 30 years of age with NO ECONOMIC/FINANCIAL BACKGROUND AT ALL.
I don't think I will put too much stock in his 'assessment' of SS.
No, he's a moderate. And his writings are very temperate and well-respected. But feel free to dispute anything he said.
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Again dolt... I am not going to do homework for you. If you wish to discuss data... post the data and we can discuss. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
Yes, there are many ways to shore up Social Security. These are typically the ones Dems rush to embrace... let me know if you have others...
1) Raise taxes
2) Decrease benefits
3) Raise the age one can attain SS
4) take away benefits from the 'rich'
5) hope and pray that the anointed one/the messiah/Saint Obama/Mr. hope and change himself will figure out how to spur job growth in this country
Sammy Jankis
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Protectionism = job growth.
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The Almighty
No... it doesn't you dolt.
Sammy Jankis
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OF course it does.
We need more of it.
The "new normal" as created by globalization just means americans should expect worse lives, due to globalization.
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LOL....good one, at least you're honest...i take back 1/3 of things i've said about you....wait....1/3 doesn't exist....sorry
most likely....i'm willing to discuss it
i'm not a military expert, neither are you...however....there are numerous articles about the rise of china and the reemergence of a soviet era russia....if you haven't read the articles, you either lying or only reading POV's that support your world view....it is silly to claim that america's military world dominence is not a factor in the expansion of other country's.....
i guess you believe the cold war was won by green peace and flowers....i guess you believe that when saddam and osama said were were soft, that it didn't matter....oh wait, they said those things during the clinton years and barely into the first years of bush.....i guess you believe that didn't embolden them....i guess you believe americans don't have the stomach for war etc....meant nothing and didn't embolden them....
tell me something....do you honestly believe that if we cut our military budget in half, thus effectively halving our geopolitical assets across the globe, that this would not embolden china? really....what do you think has stopped china from attacking tawian?
see above....and its naive to claim decades....that could be reduced signifanctly if we stop ADVANCING our military by cutting the budget like you suggest
the only thing clear is that you are fuzzy headed about what i am saying....you had it right above that we disagree on waste, you're being stupid about saying that i support "waste" if we can afford it....no....you're actually being dishonest, not surprised though
let me repeat:
...i guess you're saying you have no problem if a country spends 99% of their gdp on the military, so long as its only a modest sum, say 1 million dollars
not surprised you dodged that, you usually dodge tough issues
I'm not going to argue this dumbass shit with you. Here's a chart:
You mean to tell me that if we trim the defense budget by even half, down to a mere 5 times what China spends as opposed to 10 times what China spends we are suddenly going to lose our military superiority.
Bullshit.
You mean to tell me that if we trim the defense budget by even half, down to a mere 5 times what China spends as opposed to 10 times what China spends we are suddenly going to lose our military superiority.
Bullshit.
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its always funny when nigel gives up....
here is the war chest nigel is dreaming of...
here is the war chest nigel is dreaming of...
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I'm not going to argue this dumbass shit with you. Here's a chart:
You mean to tell me that if we trim the defense budget by even half, down to a mere 5 times what China spends as opposed to 10 times what China spends we are suddenly going to lose our military superiority.
Bullshit.
Not much US military superiority being demonstrated in Afghanistan.