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Mastodon meal scraps revise US prehistory

Stone tools and bones from a butchered mastodon, found at the bottom of a river in Florida, are shaking up the known history of humans in the region.

A four-year investigation of the site has firmly concluded that humans lived there and, in particular, made a meal of a mastodon 14,550 years ago.

This is more than a millennium earlier than humans were thought to have settled the south-eastern US.

The findings are reported in the open access journal Science Advances.

They reinforce the idea that humans settled the Americas well before the Clovis people arrived about 13,000 years ago. For many years, the Clovis were thought to have been "the first Americans".
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In fact, the mastadon tusk that is the centrepiece of the Florida haul, complete with apparent cut marks and accompanying tools, was first found and dated in the 1980s - but the discovery gained little traction.

"[It] was an impossible date for the scientific community to accept at the time, because it was well accepted that the Americas were colonised by the Clovis people, who arrived on the continent over the Bering land bridge no longer than 13,500 years ago at the oldest," said Jessi Halligan, lead author of the new study and assistant professor of anthropology at Florida State University.

That view, however, has gradually been revised as more and more evidence accumulates that humans arrived thousands of years earlier - perhaps as early as 16,000 years ago, when the last ice age was only beginning to thaw.

But that evidence remains scarce, and the new study provides the best evidence yet for such a presence in the south-east of the US.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36286548
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I'd be interested to hear the Creationist explanation.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
So, the Native Americans displaced the proto-Native Americans!

Where does it end lol?
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Well, at the risk of being politically incorrect, yes, the Clovis people came and either wiped out the proto-americans, or simply out fucked them. I don't care that native americans think that their ancestors have always been here, but the science says that they are full of shit. Native indians were a wave of recent (~10k years) immigrants. Their ancestral myths are about as real as the Christian ancestral myths. Anyone notice how similar american indians and ancient asians are? The first americans came here about 50K years ago. They left evidence. They were inundated by 'modern' indians. I do not want to imply that Europeans had any right to decimate the indigenous population, but to say that the american indians were the first and only native population here, is both wrong, and disingenuous. They actually decimated the original population.
 
mogur said:
Well, at the risk of being politically incorrect, yes, the Clovis people came and either wiped out the proto-americans, or simply out fucked them. I don't care that native americans think that their ancestors have always been here, but the science says that they are full of shit. Native indians were a wave of recent (~10k years) immigrants. Their ancestral myths are about as real as the Christian ancestral myths. Anyone notice how similar american indians and ancient asians are? The first americans came here about 50K years ago. They left evidence. They were inundated by 'modern' indians. I do not want to imply that Europeans had any right to decimate the indigenous population, but to say that the american indians were the first and only native population here, is both wrong, and disingenuous. They actually decimated the original population.
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In an evolutionary sense there are no 'rights': It's survival of the fittest from top to bottom.

Creationists have the better foundation for rights lol.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
In an evolutionary sense there are no 'rights': It's survival of the fittest from top to bottom.

Creationists have the better foundation for rights lol.
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And what exactly are Republicans fit for - shovelling shit, perhaps? I don't think they've evolved quite that far yet!

Jesus, the classical economists, Darwin - who don't the buggers deliberately misunderstand?
 
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mogur said:
Well, at the risk of being politically incorrect, yes, the Clovis people came and either wiped out the proto-americans, or simply out fucked them. I don't care that native americans think that their ancestors have always been here, but the science says that they are full of shit. Native indians were a wave of recent (~10k years) immigrants. Their ancestral myths are about as real as the Christian ancestral myths. Anyone notice how similar american indians and ancient asians are? The first americans came here about 50K years ago. They left evidence. They were inundated by 'modern' indians. I do not want to imply that Europeans had any right to decimate the indigenous population, but to say that the american indians were the first and only native population here, is both wrong, and disingenuous. They actually decimated the original population.
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The story says that the first Americans came around 16k years ago. That's like 13k before the Clovis people. They also probably weren't large in number.

Anyway, any migration that occurred in prehistory may as well be eternity. Indo-european speakers are not the traditional inhabitants of europe, they were only forcibly converted to indo-european ways like 1.5k years ago. I guess that means they have no right to Europe.
 
There's no such thing as survival of the fittest. If the sun explodes tomorrow, it doesn't matter how fit you are, you're dead. Nothing thrives in the environment of space, no matter how fit it is. Evolution is based on luck.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
In an evolutionary sense there are no 'rights': It's survival of the fittest from top to bottom.

Creationists have the better foundation for rights lol.
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Don't mind Darth. He's never studied evolutionary theory. At least the scientific version. His own statement proves that. Survival of the fittest was coined by 19th century eugenicist, social Darwinist, and Christian fundamentalist to rationalize their racist views that justified their colonial policies. In fact biologist were the first to refute their racist notions.

Evolutionary theory doesn't predict survival of the fittest. Anyone who has studied the actual science knows this. Evolutionary theory predicts that species best able to adapt to their environment are more likely to survive and procreate.

Darth's knowledge of evolutionary theory comes mainly from the Disreputable Discovery Institute.
 
Book Purist said:
There's no such thing as survival of the fittest. If the sun explodes tomorrow, it doesn't matter how fit you are, you're dead. Nothing thrives in the environment of space, no matter how fit it is. Evolution is based on luck.
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No it isn't. It's based on laws of nature...just like Suns blowing up.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Don't mind Darth. He's never studied evolutionary theory. At least the scientific version. His own statement proves that. Survival of the fittest was coined by 19th century eugenicist, social Darwinist, and Christian fundamentalist to rationalize their racist views that justified their colonial policies. In fact biologist were the first to refute their racist notions.

Evolutionary theory doesn't predict survival of the fittest. Anyone who has studied the actual science knows this. Evolutionary theory predicts that species best able to adapt to their environment are more likely to survive and procreate.

Darth's knowledge of evolutionary theory comes mainly from the Disreputable Discovery Institute.
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Not so much lol. I had evolution drilled into my head in college. I didn't learn to be critical of it until later on.

I read Darwins book. Have you? Maybe you have, but I can't count the number of times I've been told 'Darth doesn't know evolution' by people who haven't studied it formally or read his damn book.

I find that highly amusing.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Not so much lol. I had evolution drilled into my head in college. I didn't learn to be critical of it until later on.

I read Darwins book. Have you? Maybe you have, but I can't count the number of times I've been told 'Darth doesn't know evolution' by people who haven't studied it formally or read his damn book.

I find that highly amusing.
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What made you become critical of it? Serious question.
 
Jobs Killing Liberal said:
So you say, traitor.

Did this alleged study of Darwin supposedly happen before you became a shill for Big Coal, and decided to advocate the filthy rape of our great American landscape for the sake of a few bucks?
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Get off the grid and go shit in the woods like the proto-Americans did. Then you can moralize about the planet, lol.
 
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