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US stocks dumped amid Trump tariff fears​

Uncertainty over trade policy rattles investors as European markets rally, with Germany announcing a €500bn investment and climate fund


Investors are dumping American stocks in favour of European equities at the fastest pace in 25 years amid fears about the impact of President Trump’s policies on the world’s largest economy.

Fund managers expect the US economy to slow sharply this year, triggering the fastest rotation out of the American stock market in favour of Europe since comparable records began in 1999, according to a survey of money managers by Bank of America.

Declining consumer confidence, rising inflation expectations and policy uncertainty in the US has rattled investors and raised the odds of a recession in an economy that grew by 2.8 per cent last year, the fastest rate in the G7. By contrast, European stocks have enjoyed their best start to a year since the mid-1980s, buoyed by cheap valuations, falling interest rates and Germany’s push for mass rearmament and investment.



European stocks rallied on Tuesday after two thirds of Germany’s Bundestag approved the creation of a €500 billion investment and climate fund and a weakening of the country’s strict debt brake to allow for near unlimited defence spending.

Robin Winkler, chief economist at Deutsche Bank, said the spending plans marked a “historic fiscal regime shift, arguably the largest since German reunification … Yet, as with reunification, a fiscal expansion does not guarantee success. The next government will need to deliver structural reforms to turn this fiscal package into sustainable growth.”

Germany’s Dax was the biggest climber, gaining 0.8 per cent, followed by France’s Cac 40, which gained 0.4 per cent. The FTSE 100 was up 0.2 per cent and the FTSE 250 rose 0.4 per cent.


The flight from US equities continued on Tuesday. The benchmark S&P 500 closed down by 1.1 per cent while the technology-heavy Nasdaq lost 1.7 per cent in New York.

US equities have suffered the brunt of the asset switch from American assets, with the S&P 500 falling by 10 per cent from a peak reached earlier this year, a decline that marks the start of a market correction. There have been only 12 occasions where a stock market recession did not lead to a wider economic recession in the US since 1990.

Just under 40 per cent of fund managers said they were holding overweight positions on European equities this month, up from 12 per cent in February and the largest share in four years. UK stocks have also benefited from the shift out of the US, recording the highest fund manager capital allocation since 2021.

Just under a quarter of the same money managers said they were holding fewer US stocks — an “underweight” position, according to the survey.


The outlook for growth also fell, with investors’ expectations of rising global GDP this year falling from -2 per cent to -44 per cent on the back of fears about the US.

Bank of America said global growth projections fell at the second-fastest pace on record in March and more than half of investors (55 per cent) believed that a “recessionary trade war” was the biggest threat to the world economy.

Trump’s officials have dismissed falling stock market prices and vowed to push ahead with more tariffs on US trading partners next month. Scott Bessent, the US treasury secretary and most senior economic policymaker in the administration, said this week that stock market corrections were “normal” and “healthy”.
 
I never claimed fantastic wealth but you claimed that you made “a whole lot of money,” Rarely Right Walter,
Saying you had fantastic wealth was my way of making fun of you. I know that you are just a bit player in the markets, and cannot turn this disaster around.

I am trying to figure out where Earl came up with me saying I "made a whole lot of money", because in the context he is using the quote in, it does not sound like how I would phrase it. I just realized where I have been saying that exact phrase, but in a different context. I keep going on and on about how I perfectly timed S&P 500 proxy options that I bought at an average of $2.92 and sold at between $30 and $32. I did make a whole lot of money on that.

You see, I realized that the market had made a mistake. They acted like trump giving a 30 day reprieve was him coming to his senses. What really happened was he just kicked the can down the road. So I invested in options that would do well after he reignited the disaster.

I bought SPY $585 Put options expiring 03/21/2025. I have made investments that had a better percent payoff, but not with this much money. I have made more money, but only from investments I had to work hard for. This is the biggest dollar easy investment I have ever made.
 
Saying you had fantastic wealth was my way of making fun of you. I know that you are just a bit player in the markets, and cannot turn this disaster around.

I am trying to figure out where Earl came up with me saying I "made a whole lot of money", because in the context he is using the quote in, it does not sound like how I would phrase it. I just realized where I have been saying that exact phrase, but in a different context. I keep going on and on about how I perfectly timed S&P 500 proxy options that I bought at an average of $2.92 and sold at between $30 and $32. I did make a whole lot of money on that.

You see, I realized that the market had made a mistake. They acted like trump giving a 30 day reprieve was him coming to his senses. What really happened was he just kicked the can down the road. So I invested in options that would do well after he reignited the disaster.

I bought SPY $585 Put options expiring 03/21/2025. I have made investments that had a better percent payoff, but not with this much money. I have made more money, but only from investments I had to work hard for. This is the biggest dollar easy investment I have ever made.
I pay an investment guru for wealth management. rarely Right Walter.

I am not a player at all, my investment guru is a major player.

Your 2% after taxes is why you are still working (at 5PM on Sunday afternoon).

Poor wealth management…very poor wealth management.

You did say that you made a whole lot of money, Rarely Right Walter…shorting stocks.
 
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I pay an investment guru for wealth management.
Yes, you mentioned that. You say that he guarantees that you will never lose money... Which is a major red flag. Not to mention calling himself a "guru."

Your 2% after taxes is why you are still working (at 5PM on Sunday afternoon).
You think taking out less money means that you will have less investment success? I think you got that reversed.

You did say that you made a who,e lot of money, Rarely Right Walter…shorting stocks.
You know what, I have never shorted a stock. When I was younger, I sold naked options, but came to my senses before things went wrong. I am old school on that, and like to know the maximum I can lose.
 
But I am sure that @Earl will use his fantastic wealth to turn this disaster around.

MAGATs don't care -- even though THEIR 401(k)s are losing value too.

Investors hate uncertainty and chaos, which is all the #TangerineTyrant has managed to do so far. Even the WSJ is puzzled and unhappy about why he is going nuts with the tariffs. They are not going to return off-shored industries to the U.S. That horse is out of the barn and long gone.
 
Yes, you mentioned that. You say that he guarantees that you will never lose money... Which is a major red flag. Not to mention calling himself a "guru."


You think taking out less money means that you will have less investment success? I think you got that reversed.


You know what, I have never shorted a stock. When I was younger, I sold naked options, but came to my senses before things went wrong. I am old school on that, and like to know the maximum I can lose.
Wrong, Walter, his return point is 10%, below that his commission decreases.

He guarantees nothing but I have been with him for decades,
 
MAGATs don't care -- even though THEIR 401(k)s are losing value too.

Investors hate uncertainty and chaos, which is all the #TangerineTyrant has managed to do so far. Even the WSJ is puzzled and unhappy about why he is going nuts with the tariffs. They are not going to return off-shored industries to the U.S. That horse is out of the barn and long gone.
Everyone thought trump would pull out before things became a total disaster. he is not pulling out. It is scary.
 
Wrong, Walter, his return point is 10%, below that his commission decreases.

He guarantees nothing but I have been with him for decades,
Your investment "guru" no longer guarantees 10% return?

According to you, he did guarantee it back in June:
I have an investment guru that I pay 10K per year. He guarantees a minimum of 10%

The reality is if you are getting 10% returns, you probably only want to take out 2% for your personal expenses. I know they say 4%, but that is including taxes, and assuming the bull market continues. The nice part about taking out too little is it increases the amount you have invested, so you end up taking out more.
 
If Rarely Right Walter really is an engineer (I doubt it) he is poorly equipped to control his own wealth management.

Perhaps that is why, approaching 60 years of age, he is still working…at 5PM on a Sunday afternoon.

“Making a whole lot of money” hasn’t worked out too well for him.
 
Your investment "guru" no longer guarantees 10% return?

According to you, he did guarantee it back in June:


The reality is if you are getting 10% returns, you probably only want to take out 2% for your personal expenses. I know they say 4%, but that is including taxes, and assuming the bull market continues. The nice part about taking out too little is it increases the amount you have invested, so you end up taking out more.
Post the thread, Rarely Right Walter.

Walter, his return point is 10%, below that his commission decreases.

Have someone explain that to you.
 
Believe me, I have backup plans upon backup plans. It is my hobby. I am really worried about you though. It sounds like you are living beyond your means.
Not to worry, Rarely Right Walter, I don’t have to report to work on Sunday afternoon at 5PM.

My return last year was 17%, yours?

That was on our major portfolio, the others were slightly less.

What’s your marginal tax rate for 2024?

Mine was 37%…oh no, I am boasting now, like Rarely Right Walter and his “whole lot of money.”
 
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Well the DOW has gained a little back from last week.
It was down 2597 last week and as of yesterday it was down 1906.52. ( it got over 600 points back )
From what I have read it is one of the worst performing markets of any Presidents first 2 months in office.
IMO Trump is trying to destroy our economy and our country.
 
If Rarely Right Walter really is an engineer (I doubt it) he is poorly equipped to control his own wealth management.
I hang around a lot of finance people, and I know for a fact that many, many of them are engineers, or at least have engineering training. The math background really helps them.

Perhaps that is why, approaching 60 years of age, he is still working
You really hate working, don't you @Earl Honestly, I do not understand that. I could be a billionaire and 90 years old, and I would still want to work a bit.

at 5PM on a Sunday afternoon.
As I mention, I rarely work that early.

“Making a whole lot of money” hasn’t worked out too well for him.
You do not seem to understand that having "fuck you" money does not mean I have to say "fuck you." It really is about safety. Two years ago, I was fired... And really did not mind one bit. They hired me back immediately, with a raise, but you get the point.
 
I hang around a lot of finance people, and I know for a fact that many, many of them are engineers, or at least have engineering training. The math background really helps them.


You really hate working, don't you @Earl Honestly, I do not understand that. I could be a billionaire and 90 years old, and I would still want to work a bit.


As I mention, I rarely work that early.


You do not seem to understand that having "fuck you" money does not mean I have to say "fuck you." It really is about safety. Two years ago, I was fired... And really did not mind one bit. They hired me back immediately, with a raise, but you get the point.
I was never fired, Rarely Right Walter.

No, I do not get your hazy point.

No, many engineers are not finance people.

Your coarse “fuck you” money is scatological, indicating being raised in a barn.

Do better, Rarely Right Walter…much better.
 
Post the thread, Rarely Right Walter.
I posted a linked quote. Do you know how to follow a linked quote?

I have an investment guru that I pay 10K per year. He guarantees a minimum of 10%
Here is a link in pure link form,

What’s your marginal tax rate for 2024?
I guess the highest federal marginal tax bracket(37%) plus the state tax(3%), so about 40%. I really never cared about marginal tax rates. Tax me at 100% on my last dollar, and I will still be fine as long as the effective tax rate is reasonable.

Mine was 37%…oh no, I am boasting now
You should try to avoid earning so much in short term capital gains. Long term capital gains highest rate was 20%. My job forced me into the highest marginal rate for earned income/short term capital gains, but you have no job.

So I switched from having a salary to having a consulting company, thinking I would get out of 37% marginal this year, and immediately made a nice bit of short term returns putting me right back in there.
 
I posted a linked quote. Do you know how to follow a linked quote?


Here is a link in pure link form,


I guess the highest federal marginal tax bracket(37%) plus the state tax(3%), so about 40%. I really never cared about marginal tax rates. Tax me at 100% on my last dollar, and I will still be fine as long as the effective tax rate is reasonable.


You should try to avoid earning so much in short term capital gains. Long term capital gains highest rate was 20%. My job forced me into the highest marginal rate for earned income/short term capital gains, but you have no job.

So I switched from having a salary to having a consulting company, thinking I would get out of 37% marginal this year, and immediately made a nice bit of short term returns putting me right back in there.
Sorry Rarely Right Walter, I don’t take wealth management advice from anyone who can’t retire approaching 60 who has to report to work at 5PM on Sunday afternoon.
 
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