us commandos parachuting into n korea

Darla said:
I still think it's Obama trying to look like a big shot. I have no evidence of this. Basically when military secrets got leaked during the Bush years I blamed the liberals in the military and the media for trying to make Bush look bad. When military secrets get leaked now, I blame Obama because he got it leaked to make himself look cool.

That's just how I feel.
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That's a win-win view. Can't go wrong there. :lol:
 
Gatorman said:
There are always strategic and/or tactical reasons for the release of information of this sort from the MILITARY. Any attempt at reasoning why is only speculation at the very best. Some of you folks are just so eager to spank President Barack Hussein Obama for something, anything that you fail to use your idiotic heads for anything much beyond a hat rack. You look silly when you do that.
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Actually it was all planned with NK. A pay-off to Kim Jong Un by the Dem action committee. Obama will get kudos, Kim Jong Un gets to rant about the evil west while enjoying his new I-phone and video games that are officially embargoed. It's a win-win for everyone.

If we're going to have a conspiracy theory we have to make it look good. :)
 
bravo said:
Underground air fields ????? lol
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It all has to do with alien technology and higher dimensions and all that stuff. Sort of like the way people describe an abduction. They pass through a closed window or wall or roof of a car.

When the time comes the missiles will simply pass through the solid earth and be on their way to their destination.

You really have to keep up with what's happening, Bravo.
 
Damocles said:
My guess is somebody wanted Obama to seem like he was taking positive steps to secure America. Whatever the reason those people are now if far more danger than they have ever been had it remained actually secret.
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wait.....is NK' defense structure so bad they wouldn't have known it happened until they read it in the paper?.....there's something else going on here.....I want to wait and see if there's an uproar over this.....I think there's some reason someone, either in the military or the administration wanted this out there, likely the military or I think it would have come from the DoD....I suspect they want to shake NK' confidence in its security system......

or maybe, like Voltaire, this general went to work drunk one day.....
 
Onceler said:
Do you think he'd lie to the UN, Congress & the public, and then launch a full-scale invasion & 9-year war?
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In the case of North Korea, we at least have a stable and legitimate government in the south that could take over, instead of having to install some semi-legitimate government ourselves. I doubt we'd have the long term problem of insurgency that's plagued us in Iraq. And the South is powerful enough that it could probably handle such insurgency itself in any case - unlike in Iraq, where we had no one to hand things over to besides the insurgents. I suppose you could compare with Vietnam, but:

1) The government in SV wasn't democratic at first. After the coup the new government was both tinged with foreign involvement and not very stable, since all the experienced administrators were naturally tinged with the old regime. These are many of the same issues we had in Iraq.
2) Communism had a lot more legitimacy back in those days, successfully taking advantage of anti-Imperialist sentiment while the US mostly dropped the ball on such issues in order to avoid offending it's still decolonizing allies. It's been decades since any of this has been an issue in the modern world.
3) Unlike North Korea, the Vietcong had, at that point, not dirtied it's hands with governance. The Vietcong also could claim a great deal of popularity from their long, honest, and hard-fought campaign against France to win Vietnamese independence. The only thing Communists are really good at is revolution, and North Korea is not a revolutionary force.

Anyway, aggressively attacking North Korea to get rid of their nukes would be incredibly stupid, but the real threat would be war with China, which would quickly devolve into a total war, maybe even a serious nuclear war. It would not be the possibility of a long period of occupation like we had in Iraq - maybe in our dreams. Noth Korea couldn't even really hope to use their nukes without being wiped out by a coalition of every nation on Earth anyway. So, basically, the only way this even matters is if NK basically decides it doesn't want to exist anymore. Are we worried that maybe Kim Jong-un is still going through a bit of an emo phase? Who knows, right? Anyway, they're nothing without China, and China's not going to back them up unless we're the aggressors.
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
wait.....is NK' defense structure so bad they wouldn't have known it happened until they read it in the paper?.....there's something else going on here.....I want to wait and see if there's an uproar over this.....I think there's some reason someone, either in the military or the administration wanted this out there, likely the military or I think it would have come from the DoD....I suspect they want to shake NK' confidence in its security system......

or maybe, like Voltaire, this general went to work drunk one day.....
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The DoD has already responded by saying that the journalist falsely attributed quotes to the general and took him out of context. This didn't actually happen. It was unbelievable before the DoD responded anyway - even assuming that any general would ever tell the fucking press such secretive details about an operation of such magnitude without subsequently screaming "WHAT HAVE I DONE?!", killing everyone present, and committing suicide.

The stealth systems on the most high tech US planes (the F-22, at least something like an F-117) help it to avoid weapons and help keep it from being detected until it's too late for the enemy to do anything about. It is not so good that you can fly into another country many times without them ever realizing a plane was there. Maybe it could avoid getting shot down. However, he's talking about fucking paratroopers. That means a fucking cargo plane, not some high tech F-22. The North Koreans would see that big ass blip on the radar as soon as it reached their airspace, easily outrace it even with their rusting, shitty MiG's, and, upon seeing the military colors, would shoot it down without blinking. OK, let's just assume the military forgot about those details, and this happened to not matter because before every single paratrooping mission, I guess, every North Korean radar went offline, and every North Korean temporarily went blind for the duration of the mission. Then, I suppose, they could get into North Korea without being shot down or even seen.

Well, what on Earth could they do then? This seems like a bit of a one way mission. The problem is that we have yet to develop a way to unparatroop, so they'd probably be stuck. If there were a way that they could just waltz out of North Korea undetected, I'm sure they probably would've used that way in, rather than relying on sending a big ass cargo plane full of paratroopers and hoping that nobody notices, which seems to be a rather desperate strategy. I suppose they could walk down into the tunnels and kill themselves, although that would seem rather pointless, and the Koreans would probably eventually notice something suspicious like the corpses of several American soldiers. I suppose the plan could be to simply walk an unsupported, unsupplied military unit through the most totalitarian country in the world with the honest expectation of not being found out. Only a couple of thousand relatively less suspcious native Koreans manage to get out of the country year. I'm told it's not a nice place to live, so I assume that they aren't all staying because they love it so much. I assume it'd be much harder if you are an obvious foreigner, who spoke no Korean, and were dressed in nothing but camaflouge, American flags, and guns. I haven't heard of war being declared, so I assume that no hostilities between the US and North Korea occurred during this sojourn. Perhaps they did occur, but after seeing the entire Korean People's Army defeated by a small group of paratroopers, the North Koreans became embarrassed and decided to pretend it didn't happen? Or maybe they were feeling forgiving and just decided to give us a (few) mulligan(s)? Maybe every North Korean went blind again for a week or so, allowing them to walk through the DMZ safely to our bitch, South Korea, without being met by the fanfare of bullets that usually accompanies people who so much as put a toe in there?

I would think most people would be wary of military strategies that seem to rely primarily on large sections of the enemies civilian and military population spontaneously becoming disabled at convenient junctures of time. I suppose there've been worse ideas before.
 
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KissingCommies said:
The DoD has already responded by saying that the journalist falsely attributed quotes to the general and took him out of context. This didn't actually happen. It was unbelievable before the DoD responded anyway - even assuming that any general would ever tell the fucking press such secretive details about an operation of such magnitude without subsequently screaming "WHAT HAVE I DONE?!", killing everyone present, and committing suicide.

The stealth systems on the most high tech US planes (the F-22, at least something like an F-117) help it to avoid weapons and help keep it from being detected until it's too late for the enemy to do anything about. It is not so good that you can fly into another country many times without them ever realizing a plane was there. Maybe it could avoid getting shot down. However, he's talking about fucking paratroopers. That means a fucking cargo plane, not some high tech F-22. The North Koreans would see that big ass blip on the radar as soon as it reached their airspace, easily outrace it even with their rusting, shitty MiG's, and, upon seeing the military colors, would shoot it down without blinking. OK, let's just assume the military forgot about those details, and this happened to not matter because before every single paratrooping mission, I guess, every North Korean radar went offline, and every North Korean temporarily went blind for the duration of the mission. Then, I suppose, they could get into North Korea without being shot down or even seen.

Well, what on Earth could they do then? This seems like a bit of a one way mission. The problem is that we have yet to develop a way to unparatroop, so they'd probably be stuck. If there were a way that they could just waltz out of North Korea undetected, I'm sure they probably would've used that way in, rather than relying on sending a big ass cargo plane full of paratroopers and hoping that nobody notices, which seems to be a rather desperate strategy. I suppose they could walk down into the tunnels and kill themselves, although that would seem rather pointless, and the Koreans would probably eventually notice something suspicious like the corpses of several American soldiers. I suppose the plan could be to simply walk an unsupported, unsupplied military unit through the most totalitarian country in the world with the honest expectation of not being found out. Only a couple of thousand relatively less suspcious native Koreans manage to get out of the country year. I'm told it's not a nice place to live, so I assume that they aren't all staying because they love it so much. I assume it'd be much harder if you are an obvious foreigner, who spoke no Korean, and were dressed in nothing but camaflouge, American flags, and guns. I haven't heard of war being declared, so I assume that no hostilities between the US and North Korea occurred during this sojourn. Perhaps they did occur, but after seeing the entire Korean People's Army defeated by a small group of paratroopers, the North Koreans became embarrassed and decided to pretend it didn't happen? Or maybe they were feeling forgiving and just decided to give us a (few) mulligan(s)? Maybe every North Korean went blind again for a week or so, allowing them to walk through the DMZ safely to our bitch, South Korea, without being met by the fanfare of bullets that usually accompanies people who so much as put a toe in there?

I would think most people would be wary of military strategies that seem to rely primarily on large sections of the enemies civilian and military population spontaneously becoming disabled at convenient junctures of time. I suppose there've been worse ideas before.
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This is honest to god one of the best posts I've ever read.
 
I would assume that if we did this at all it would be with people with no outward markings that would enable them to associate with any official US action. It is likely they would speak the language and would have been trained in survival skills. It is a HUGE if though. I can't see it being worth the effort.

The more I read it the more unlikely it seemed. It is interesting that any newspaper would report something like this.
 
Damocles said:
I would assume that if we did this at all it would be with people with no outward markings that would enable them to associate with any official US action. It is likely they would speak the language and would have been trained in survival skills. It is a HUGE if though. I can't see it being worth the effort.

The more I read it the more unlikely it seemed. It is interesting that any newspaper would report something like this.
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It happened to the Brits actually, with their Falklands war. Argentina didn't believe it was real though, because who would be that fucking stupid?
 
Damocles said:
I would assume that if we did this at all it would be with people with no outward markings that would enable them to associate with any official US action. It is likely they would speak the language and would have been trained in survival skills. It is a HUGE if though. I can't see it being worth the effort.

The more I read it the more unlikely it seemed. It is interesting that any newspaper would report something like this.
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what is with our press

if this is true, then reporting this is definitely against the nations interest and if false, then it needed to be checked out further before publishing
 
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