Ukrainians aren't sweating; should we?

[dukkha]

As I alluded....the SOS of backing a despot/dictator/fascist regime so long as it's not placating to the "enemy". Of course, this supports only lasts until these cretinous leaders get the insane notion that it's their country to do with what they will, and the USA can just send aid & comfort but STFU and keep their nose out of sovereign nation business. Just look what happened to Hussein & Bin Ladin. There's a better way, but no one wants to make the effort to figure it out. And the losers are always the average schmoes who just want to go to work, feed their families and have a decent place to live.

not clear what you are trying to say here

And then we create our own problems because when you back despots and dictators and fascist regimes, eventually the locals rebel and side with the group who's best organized to get the job done....which is why you have ISIS and Al Qaeda. And the band played on.

that can happen and it's usually in the form of a civil war - like Yemen where AQAP and al-Qaeda are players in the civil war. But we are there to help our strategic ally Saudi Arabia - and we have unclean hands because of Saudi bombing of the Houthi
More then likely though is any interventionism brings a civil war/insurgency. (Libya/Iraq)

The only solution is stay out of foreign civil wars. Let them work it out, it;s their country.

We stayed out of Syria for the most part,and Assad eventually won and we are NOT facing a jihadist state
of the "Emirates of Syria"

 

[Taichiliberal]

not clear what you are trying to say here

that can happen and it's usually in the form of a civil war - like Yemen where AQAP and al-Qaeda are players in the civil war. But we are there to help our strategic ally Saudi Arabia - and we have unclean hands because of Saudi bombing of the Houthi
More then likely though is any interventionism brings a civil war/insurgency. (Libya/Iraq)

The only solution is stay out of foreign civil wars. Let them work it out, it;s their country.

We stayed out of Syria for the most part,and Assad eventually won and we are NOT facing a jihadist state
of the "Emirates of Syria"

Assad put down pro-democracy rebels, not jihadists.

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_involvement_in_Syria,_2009-2017

 

[Hawkeye10]

Will the Ukrainians fight?

I am not so sure, it is Ukraine that would be rubbleized, and defeat is certain.

 

[dukkha]

Assad put down pro-democracy rebels, not jihadists.

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_involvement_in_Syria,_2009-2017

gawd almighty. just stop.
The battlefield were both jihadists ( such as al-Nusra) and non-secularists (Free Syrian Army)

al-Nusra ( and splinter groups) were Salafists. FSA were Sunni ir-regulars

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Assad put down pro-democracy rebels, not jihadists.

https://ballotpedia.org/United_State...ria,_2009-2017

gawd almighty. just stop.
The battlefield were both jihadists ( such as al-Nusra) and non-secularists (Free Syrian Army)

al-Nusra ( and splinter groups) were Salafists. FSA were Sunni ir-regulars

yeah, please stop...because the vast MAJORITY were pro-democracy, NOT fundamentalist on par with Al Qaeda or ISIS. (note the FSA)

GMAFB with this "better a dictator than anything else" BS. FYI, Assad is a Alawite...."In 1971 al-Assad declared himself president of Syria, a position the constitution at the time permitted only for Sunni Muslims. In 1973 a new constitution was adopted, replacing Islam as the state religion with a mandate that the president's religion be Islam, and protests erupted."

A Civil War were everyone and anyone who can are getting the hell out. Sorry son, but you can't replace the majority population's gov't with a dictatorial minority and call yourself a 'democratic'....like Iraq under Hussein, Syria is under Assad (both Baathist, by the way...a semi-creation of the CIA back in the bad old days).

I'm not saying there aren't any jihadist who are ideologically in sync with our fundamentalist enemies, but maybe we should learn from our mistakes and we wouldn't be a target (example being Saudi Arabia).

 

[Taichiliberal]

Will the Ukrainians fight?

I am not so sure, it is Ukraine that would be rubbleized, and defeat is certain.

Sad, but again it's no potato off my plate, because quite frankly if we paid our South American cousins a decent price and did fair deals with the continent of Africa, the exports from the Ukraine wouldn't amount to beans. I'm sorry, but I don't think US military lives should be sacrificed for some pipeline stockholders.