U.S. stock market loses $5 trillion in value in three weeks

Sorry you lost all of your savings to retire one day. It's not permanent!

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anonymoose said:
The rest is in a real estate consortium and hedge funds.
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Hedge funds usually invest in stocks, but often delay their reporting, so you may have lost more money than you think. As for real estate, that is crazy these days, so who knows where that will be in two years.

Weirdest thing I have ever seen. A slightly run down house in my neighborhood was bought a little over a month ago. It was a fixer upper, so no one would have been surprised if it was bought by a house flipper. A house flipper would buy a house, fix it up, or even just hold it for a year or two, and then sell it.

The new owner has the house up for sale. He did nothing to fix up the house. Apparently, he is in a lot of financial trouble, and thinks he can sell a house after a month for more than he bought it for. It is insanity.
 
Walt said:
As for real estate, that is crazy these days, so who knows where that will be in two years.
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The consortium I’m in is not one in the traditional sense. It’s more like a high end club that leverages collective bargaining into real estate plays. We go to “club” seminars around the country, about 4 X’s/year. Before even getting started I had to do quite a bit of studying and even had to pass an examination before actually investing.
I actually jettisoned about 2/3 of my 401k with no penalty or tax using the methods I learned and used it in the “consortium “.
They call it passive income but I’ve burnt the midnight candle on several occasions doing this.

The hedge funds I’m in were recommended by an old college buddy of mine who has started and sold several companies, one to Halliburton, and has a couple of patents on oil extraction machinery he invented. Not a bad guy to trust.
As far as the 401k, I wish I had liquidated all of it but the boss lady wouldn’t let me.
 
Walt said:
Ohhh... Ouch... So many red flags galore.
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It’s the same group and not those stupid middle of the night infomercial scams. It’s actually a progression in learning.
I haven’t been burned nor has anyone I’ve met in the group. I’ve been in it since 2017.



Actually, we agree on that. Anyone who calls real estate passive income does not know real estate, which is why I avoid it these days.
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If you don’t enjoy it, don’t do it. It’s kind of a hobby for me.
But we agree. If you have $500,000+ and want to forget about it, put it in something like Schwab Private Client and just follow their advice.
 
anonymoose said:
If you have $500,000+ and want to forget about it, put it in something like Schwab Private Client and just follow their advice.
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I still argue that passive broad indexed fund is the way to go. Fund managers/advisors/etc. take a cut of the returns. They sometimes justify that cut for a year or two, but most are unable to justify it for the long term.

I am seriously doing 70% total American stock market(Schwab's SWTSX) 20% total foreign stock market(Schwab's SWISX), and 10% Treasury obligations(Schwab's SCOXX) for the money I want to forget about. I have to rebalance that from time to time, but that works out to about 10 hours per year. I keep thinking they should allow instructions to automate rebalancing, and then it would literally take no time.

Things being what they are, I am actively investor with some of my money. A couple of years ago, I stopped trading options, but now I am back. I only took a bit out of my passive investing to do this active investing.
 
Walt said:
A lot of people have sold stocks at a loss.
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Who told you that, Salty Walty?

To determine whether "a lot of people have sold stocks at a loss recently," as claimed by Salty Walty in the thread you linked, let’s consider the context of the U.S. stock market losing $5 trillion in value over three weeks, as reported around mid-March 2025.

The S&P 500, a broad measure of U.S. stock performance, dropped from a peak market value of $52.06 trillion on February 19, 2025, to $46.78 trillion by mid-March, a decline of about 10%, which qualifies as a market correction. This significant drop suggests widespread selling pressure, but whether individuals sold "at a loss" depends on when they bought their stocks and their specific actions.

A 10% decline in the S&P 500 doesn’t inherently mean every investor sold at a loss—some may have held onto their positions, while others who bought years ago could still be sitting on gains despite the drop.



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Walt said:
I still argue that passive broad indexed fund is the way to go. Fund managers/advisors/etc. take a cut of the returns. They sometimes justify that cut for a year or two, but most are unable to justify it for the long term.

I am seriously doing 70% total American stock market(Schwab's SWTSX) 20% total foreign stock market(Schwab's SWISX), and 10% Treasury obligations(Schwab's SCOXX) for the money I want to forget about. I have to rebalance that from time to time, but that works out to about 10 hours per year. I keep thinking they should allow instructions to automate rebalancing, and then it would literally take no time.

Things being what they are, I am actively investor with some of my money. A couple of years ago, I stopped trading options, but now I am back. I only took a bit out of my passive investing to do this active investing.
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What matters is doing what you like and are comfortable with. Like I said this real estate club/consortium is sort of a hobby.
 
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